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New Tier? Make some changes first....

• MARKDMK 231 Posts

  Wed, Nov 12 2014 7:18 PM

  No need to create TLS, just change for TL only all pars 5 to pars 4, pars 4 to pars 3 and pars 3 to pars 2. Problem solved.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Wed, Nov 12 2014 7:36 PM

  I am a proponent of the new tier overall.

  Loads elsewhere on it, but basically only useful if:

  1. WGT allow the pro shop opened for any one in it.  Those that are already TL and have played 500 RRs get it as soon as they have a say 59 average from another say 100 RRs on REAL courses, just to have some common sense entry;

  2. All Stats are reset and become rolling, and ideally can be viewed on month to month progressions.  Those stats only come from real courses again are done by course ideally.  Any overall "WGT average" for any one that may care comes only after you have say 7 RRs from 90% of the courses to keep the BoF F9 silliness out;

  More in other threads but basically it's nice to something to aim for IMO, and then get a reward of having real stats to look at.  There would be zero point in having STL RGs as we can't fill the TL ones quick enough.  Those "real" stats should be through out but maybe this is a way of getting something sensible somewhere??

  If the above is not possible, just don't bother IMHO.  Anyway WGT seems more intent in $today farces than having something done properly, and maybe the $s insist this one is not worthwhile any which way.  They also started a thread some time ago on but have not commented.  Maybe doing nothing will be better for those TLs looking for MPs as TL is so easy to get now?  I don't play that stuff so not an issue for me anyway.  

  Also nothing in the above would address anything real elite, but would be a nice to have for many enthusiasts IMHO.

• dedBuNNy 1,919 Posts

  Wed, Nov 12 2014 7:56 PM

  Best thing they could do is to make TL's, or whatever the hell they're going to call a new tier is to make those players have to qualify to maintain the ranking and stay within that class of player. 

  Q-School, you gotta earn your card. The fact that you can never go down, lose your rank is unrealistic.

  Once you hit TL even if you drop down to Legend you aren't eligible to play in the lower tournaments. You can drop all the way down to TP if you want, you'd still be hitting off TL tees, you're simply not allowed to enter in events that require the 'card'. Plus you can't enter in TP events either, in fact you can't enter in any events other than qualifier events in order to build points to get your card back.

  If you don't want to play and be subjected to any of this... Don't 'turn pro' as it were.

  If you ain't L337 you can't compete ! 

   

  They could do sooo many things to make this game fun, instead of just the ass-reaming money grab-fest that it's become. 

• mgbirish 4,019 Posts

  Wed, Nov 12 2014 8:08 PM

  spdemon:

  TheDuckinator:

   

  There has been a buzz going around that WGT is considering the idea of creating a new tier. For the sake of this post, I will refer to it as STL (Super Tour Legend). If you would have ask me how I feel about this a month or two ago, I would have said “bad idea”. Now, I'm not so sure. It kind of takes me back to when “Legend” was the highest tier on WGT. There was a time when being a “Legend” meant something on WGT. You had to work hard and actually “shoot the scores” to achieve Legend status. Then WGT decided to water down the Legend tier under the guise of stopping the “Sandbaggers". All you needed to do was find a Legend that would let you beat him in a few match games and “poof”, you were now a Legend. It did not matter what your true WGT average was. So that was the end of the Legend tier as we knew it. Being a Legend now is not what it used to be. It means nothing.

   

  Although not exactly the same way, WGT has now managed to do the same thing to the “Tour Legend” tier. The Tour Legend tier is now being flooded with what I call “Red Tee Tour Legends”. In their infinite wisdom, WGT decided to allow Country Clubs to set up club tournaments that can be played from any tee. Now you are seeing Legends that had a hard time breaking 30, shooting 27's and 28's on a regular basis. For the life of me, I could not understand why WGT would do something like that. Then it occurred to me. They cheapened the Legend tier shortly before they created the Tour Legend tier, and now they have managed to cheapen the Tour Legend tier. My guess is that you will see a new tier real soon. IE: STL's....

  When this happens, it will mean nothing if WGT does not change the “Red Tee” tournaments in CC's. I don't have a problem with allowing these tournaments. What I do have a problem with is allowing them to affect your average. I feel that anytime you play in a CC tournament that is played from a closer tee than your tier tee, it should not affect you average. Treat them the same way you do when playing the “Best of Par 5's” and the “Best of Par 3's”.

  I know I worked my butt off to make Legend. I did the same thing to make Tour Legend. There was a time when you were proud of what you accomplished. Sadly, that is no longer the case. Tiers and averages mean nothing now. And if WGT does not make any changes, the new STL tier will mean nothing as well.

  Please WGT: If you do implement a new tier, stop the shortcuts first! I think it's time to re-think the entire system. Lets get real with player averages. You say you have the most realistic golf game on the internet. How realistic is an average of 55? Come on... Stop the ridiculous way you compute averages. A simple way would be to base averages on your last 50 or 100 ranked rounds. Not based on your “Best” rounds. And stop the close tee tourneys..... I'm sure there other ways to achieve this, but it's time to change thing up before everyone on WGT is a Tour Legend.... Just my opinion...

   

  Duck

  This post is just another example of people worrying about what others do play your game and enjoy it let others do the same .

  FFS it's a video game who really cares anymore if you don't like the red tees don't play them most of those people you will not even see in a regular game anyway so whats the big deal 

  Makes no matter on on computing the avgs anyway cause there is always gonna be a forfeit button 

  No this post is addressing WGT, no players involved, like get it right next time WGT. Lets give our STL's, TL's  who have earned their keep some respect for Christ's sake!

   

• mgbirish 4,019 Posts

  Wed, Nov 12 2014 8:16 PM

  It took me near 1000 RR's to make Legend. Then another 500 RR's to saturate, then made TL and another 500 to saturate!  Now we have some making Legend with less than 100 RR's, Bulls*it! I will say it again Bulls*it!

  That was not to address the sandbagging, it was to create another WGT Cash Cow. 

  WGT does not care about their long service customers, just the newbies, who are going to get sucked into spending cash. Us old timers have spent all we can except for balls!

   

• spdemon 1,588 Posts

  Wed, Nov 12 2014 8:29 PM

  mgbirish:

  No this post is addressing WGT, no players involved

  Maybe addressing WGT but sure is worrying about what others are doing IMO

  mgbirish:

   who have earned their keep some respect for Christ's sake!

  And who would you consider these people that "earned" it ????

  Ranked rounds played,money spent , or time they have been here ????

  But dollars is all they want and if it won't make them any it will be swept under the rug

• mgbirish 4,019 Posts

  Wed, Nov 12 2014 8:51 PM

  spdemon:

  mgbirish:

  No this post is addressing WGT, no players involved

  Maybe addressing WGT but sure is worrying about what others are doing IMO

  mgbirish:

   who have earned their keep some respect for Christ's sake!

  And who would you consider these people that "earned" it ????

  Ranked rounds played,money spent , or time they have been here ????

  But dollars is all they want and if it won't make them any it will be swept under the rug

  The people that played the game it was meant to be. Read above post, those who played their RR's to earn it. Not the bubble gummers who made Legend with less than 100 rounds. See my above post, if that still confuses you, let me know what part. Thank you! 

   

• spdemon 1,588 Posts

  Wed, Nov 12 2014 9:03 PM

  mgbirish:

  See my above post, if that still confuses you, let me know what part

  Oh i seen it and read it hence the quotes so a tm that wins a tournie or two but doesn't have enough ranked rounds(and gets bumped to legend by wgt) is a 

  mgbirish:

  bubble gummers

  I think this is the real issue you have is this 

  mgbirish:

  It took me near 1000 RR's to make Legend.

  all you needed was 50 but 1000 that's a long time as they say some learn faster than others 

• bypass07 1,360 Posts

  Wed, Nov 12 2014 9:10 PM

  our Legends Plus 

  

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 12:53 PM by WillyBigg. 8 replies.

   

  • bypass07 807 Posts

    Thu, Oct 16 2014 4:06 PM

    I know it has been mentioned before but we need higher tiers than tour legend !!

    how about :

    Tour Legend

    Tour Legend Silver

    Tour Legend Gold

    then platinum crystal and diamond

    Wgt you can decide the averages and rewards

    Perhaps a sleeve of premium balls because 250 credits seems a little paltry for all those that put a lot of time into this game , not to mention the funds they must have spent here also. It time to reward the best !!

    P.S. it's gonna tike a while for me to get there LOL

    Thanks to the top players you have my respect !!

• mantis0014 8,946 Posts

  Thu, Nov 13 2014 12:07 AM

  mgbirish:

  It took me near 1000 RR's to make Legend. Then another 500 RR's to saturate, then made TL and another 500 to saturate!  Now we have some making Legend with less than 100 RR's, Bulls*it! I will say it again Bulls*it!

  That was not to address the sandbagging, it was to create another WGT Cash Cow. 

  WGT does not care about their long service customers, just the newbies, who are going to get sucked into spending cash. Us old timers have spent all we can except for balls!

   

  I think I was about the 1000  RR's too.  Back then though, there wasn't the amount of good clubs and balls that people can purchase now from a very low level. (not forgetting the hidden Wgt promotion laws)

  Quite a few people struggle now when they make Legend, because they are getting promoted too quick through the Tiers.