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Mon, May 18 2015 5:11 AM (306 replies)
  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 9:28 AM

    mbcarp99:
    Can you let me know how i can make sure my miss leaves me with plenty of green to work with, as i don't plan to miss how can i know where to leave my miss?

    Course management. You play to give yourself the best chance to par in the event attacking the pin fails and that means paying attention to where that miss will put you.

  • jayw4862
    3,364 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 10:06 AM

    pearljammmmer:
    I spent five years getting hitting out of the rough down pat, blah, blah, blah. Quit crying and adjust.

    After glancing at your stats (2 1/2 years worth), I don't see how you can honestly think your sarcastic comments have any merit whatsoever? 

    The thing with most players who don't like this "newbie" fix, is that it was never broken in the first place. Fix things that are broken or not working. 

  • mnshiner
    1,382 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 10:23 AM

    Very interesting ad during Farmers Insurance Tourney going on now.

    New Callaway Soft Chrome Ball supposed to stop on the green better out of the rough.

    New ball possibly in the upcoming weeks here?

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    You can read about them using the link.

  • TopShelf2010
    10,932 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 10:37 AM

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  • mkg335
    5,491 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 11:37 AM

    mbcarp99:

    mkg335:
    One of the lessons here is that if you're going to miss, don't shortside yourself around the greens, make sure your miss leaves you plenty of green to work with.

    Can you let me know how i can make sure my miss leaves me with plenty of green to work with, as i don't plan to miss how can i know where to leave my miss?

    Let's say you're playing CCC #2, pin tucked on right side of green, 13-15 wind moving r-to l, 225 yd tee shot.  All the trouble is right of the pin.  If you miss right, it's a very tough scramble for par.  Miss left and you've got a reasonable chance to get up and down.

    So to maximize your chances you make sure not to overcompensate for the wind by aiming too far right, and you guard against hitting late even though you may be costing yourself a chance to stiff the shot for an easy birdie.

    If the same wind is blowing l-to-r, you try your best to hit a bit early or ding, since even the slightest late hit will push your ball into the trouble area.

    The short version of the strategy is:  miss on the proper side.

  • pearljammmmer
    4,268 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 12:14 PM

    jayw4862:

    pearljammmmer:
    I spent five years getting hitting out of the rough down pat, blah, blah, blah. Quit crying and adjust.

    After glancing at your stats (2 1/2 years worth), I don't see how you can honestly think your sarcastic comments have any merit whatsoever? 

    The thing with most players who don't like this "newbie" fix, is that it was never broken in the first place. Fix things that are broken or not working. 

    Why did you need to glance at my stats before commenting as you did? When I said "I spent 5 years", I was quoting another post, not saying that about me.

    But please tell me why stats matter at all as to what I said. I may not be a mighty Tour Legend like yourself, but so what? What I said was if the site is trying to make the game more realistic, what is so wrong with that? Adjust and move on. I wasn't being sarcastic - but I am tired of some players whining that all their charts and figuring are no longer any good - ADJUST!

     

  • mbcarp99
    1,078 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 3:07 PM

    YankeeJim:
    Course management. You play to give yourself the best chance to par in the event attacking the pin fails and that means paying attention to where that miss will put you.

    No offence Jim but i'm not playing for pars, i'm fairly sure i can par from wherever i leave it but what i can't do is know where i'm gonna miss it because i could miss late or early, i can't plan for that, can i ?

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 3:30 PM

    mbcarp99:
    i'm fairly sure i can par from wherever i leave it

    I was too and used to disregard wherever I landed knowing full well I could get up and down. This new rough business has changed that and now I have to think about the ramifications of an aggressive shot gone south. 

    As has been pointed out, the good players that religiously hit fairways won't notice a difference but players like myself that aren't so religious have to think a little differently now. Now, when in doubt, I have to think about where I'll be scrambling from if I miss the green.  

  • mbcarp99
    1,078 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 3:44 PM

    YankeeJim:

    mbcarp99:
    i'm fairly sure i can par from wherever i leave it

    I was too and used to disregard wherever I landed knowing full well I could get up and down. This new rough business has changed that and now I have to think about the ramifications of an aggressive shot gone south. 

    As has been pointed out, the good players that religiously hit fairways won't notice a difference but players like myself that aren't so religious have to think a little differently now. Now, when in doubt, I have to think about where I'll be scrambling from if I miss the green.  

    I appreciate what your saying and yeah the new rough has made a difference but the whole point to what i'm saying is i'm planning to hit ding, if i start planning my shots with the thought i'm gonna miss ding and where shall i leave it so i can make par i'm defeated before i start, i'll  worry about where it goes once i've missed, if that makes sense

  • JFidanza
    1,676 Posts
    Sun, Feb 8 2015 8:47 PM

    mbcarp99:

    I appreciate what your saying and yeah the new rough has made a difference but the whole point to what i'm saying is i'm planning to hit ding, if i start planning my shots with the thought i'm gonna miss ding and where shall i leave it so i can make par i'm defeated before i start, i'll  worry about where it goes once i've missed, if that makes sense

     

    I think I was encouraging a method of using a solid early ding, or solid late ding, and there was much recommendation against the technique, but it worked for me. *

    When people go for the DING in the middle a big part of the failure of that method is that, as suggested, you plan for 'course management' but the ding is the middle point of  totally opposing results,

    Long story short - IMO it was easier for me to learn the forgiveness of my club and hit a solid hook, or a late slice because the hardest point of the meter to achieve isn't the hook/slice but the very middle ding.

    Again, consequently, the DING is the crossover between an inaccurate shot of opposing results, whereas the intentional hook/slice inaccuracy is more in the same area of results and precision. (albeit this has somewhat changed in the last few months) Plus, the meter is going a little slower, esp. before the ding. ('hook').

    Although there are many players who fear this technique, there are many players who apply it to their satisfaction.  One good benefit is that you don't need a high priced ball to slow down the meter.

     

     

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