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Bracket fraud part 2? (@ the mods)

• 1,866 Posts

  Mon, Jan 25 2016 11:46 PM

  As Jay posted here:

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  there are a few issues with the brackets. WGTChampion wrote there was no fraud, since all credits were awarded, albeit to the wron person.

  But there's still 1 huge unresolved bracket issue that has been going on from day 1. If none of the 2 finalists posts a score (whether they WD or are just unable to play in due time), neither gets awarded ANY credits. The only payouts are to the semifinal losers and they each get their 10% of the purse.

  The remaining 80% of the purse stays with WGT. Regardless whether the programmers simply forgot about this scenario, or if it was done this way on purpose, that could infact be considered a fraud and should've been fixed ages ago. The finalists should each get 40% of the purse, if neither posts a score.

• 949 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 6:59 AM

  I disagree mkrizan86  --- I believe if any player WDs or Does Not Finish in time, then they get nothing.  

  What would be correct to do though is to award the player that does finish and post a score, all the credits of the other player if they in fact quit(WD, DNF).

  That goes for the 3rd and 4th place matches as well even though they are not paired up to play.  If one finishes 3rd and the 4th place player quits, then the 3rd place player should get both 3rd and 4th place credits.

  EDIT:  And I just noticed you directed your post @ the MODS.... my apologies for responding then.

  

• 2,840 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 10:37 AM

  mkrizan86:

  But there's still 1 huge unresolved bracket issue that has been going on from day 1. If none of the 2 finalists posts a score (whether they WD or are just unable to play in due time), neither gets awarded ANY credits. The only payouts are to the semifinal losers and they each get their 10% of the purse.

   

  If they don't finish, why would we pay them out?  Like any tournament, you need to finish to get paid.

   

  -  WGTdbloshoe

• 1,866 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 11:00 AM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  mkrizan86:

  But there's still 1 huge unresolved bracket issue that has been going on from day 1. If none of the 2 finalists posts a score (whether they WD or are just unable to play in due time), neither gets awarded ANY credits. The only payouts are to the semifinal losers and they each get their 10% of the purse.

   

  If they don't finish, why would we pay them out?  Like any tournament, you need to finish to get paid.

   

  -  WGTdbloshoe

  Because WDs get paid now anyway. If one WDs in the final and the other guy posts a score, 2nd place prize is still paid to the player who WD in the final. If both 3rd and 4th place takers lose their semis because they WD or don't even start their match, they still get awarded 10% of the purse each, no matter what happens in the final.

  This is how it is, so why would only a double WD in the final get penalized?

  @ XHOG

  Feel free to comment, bud. i would never WD in a final anyway, not talking about myself now. But it just seems unfair that WDs are treated differently in different circumstances.

   

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 1:14 PM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  If they don't finish, why would we pay them out?  

  a) because both finalists have won 3 matches to get there. They have earned the right not play the final round and take second place should they wish. If neither manage to play, they have still earned the right to split 1st and 2nd prize by way of their previous victories.

  b) because if both finalists can't finish their rounds, the people they beat into 3rd and 4th place get paid whereas the finalists don't get anything. Why should 3rd/4th get paid more than 1st/2nd?

  c) and because otherwise WGT is unjustly keeping 80% of all the entry fees which are supposed to be allocated to the finalists.

• 2,840 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 2:12 PM

  fmagnets:

  because both finalists have won 3 matches to get there. They have earned the right not play the final round and take second place should they wish. If neither manage to play, they have still earned the right to split 1st and 2nd prize by way of their previous victories.

   

  That would be like saying if you played in a PGA Tour event for 71 out of 72 holes and are leading and WD due to injury, emergency, or whatever reason they want, you should get paid because you played the previous rounds and were leading so you deserve the winnings. That is not a legitimate argument.  If you want to get paid out finish the round and win the credits.  If you don't want to play in the final round don't enter the tournament.  This is not something wrong with the brackets and will not change.

   

  - WGTdbloshoe

• 9,041 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 2:21 PM

  

• DAZZA501 5,972 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 2:23 PM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  That would be like saying if you played in a PGA Tour event for 71 out of 72 holes and are leading and WD due to injury, emergency, or whatever reason they want, you should get paid because you played the previous rounds and were leading so you deserve the winnings. That is not a legitimate argument.  If you want to get paid out finish the round and win the credits.  If you don't want to play in the final round don't enter the tournament.  This is not something wrong with the brackets and will not change.

   

  - WGTdbloshoe

  So why does a player that WD's in a final still get paid out if his/her opponent posts a score?

   

• Imasmrtazz 194 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 2:46 PM

  If a Pro player makes the cut, but then WDs (or is DQd), they would still get paid money for making the cut, it would just be for whatever the minimum payout was.  So in this case, the players made the cut to the final match, so they shoud at least earn the minimum for that round.

• roidrage03 399 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 2:48 PM

  So under the current scenario, if the two WDs in the finals don't get paid, shouldn't the 3rd and 4th place finishers move up to 1st and 2nd and get the associated winnings? 
  
  3rd and 4th would be split among the 5-8 finishers.
  
  Currently, WGT benefits if both players WD or if WGT's product crashes for the two finalists, giving WGT no incentive to fix the crash problem.
  
  I once lost a final when WGT crashed and I couldn't resume the round. I got 2nd place money. If the other finalist had crashed too, both of us would have gotten nothing and WGT would have kept the 80%???