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Bracket fraud part 2? (@ the mods)

• JoeMaverick 843 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 6:23 AM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  So for all of you that WILL NOW complete your rounds in brackets, here is another interesting tidbit that I didn't know until just a few minutes ago.

  When two players tie, if the scorecards are exactly a match, the winner is 

  "... the earlier-submitted entry between or among the tied entries will be deemed the better scoring entry."

  Pays to get your round completed early.

  I'm currently in 3 brackets where I'm TIE with my opponents, 3 times I have completed the round first and in 2 of them it's very likely I should not be the winner (9-hole, 3 birdies on the 3 first holes). So if I'm the winner 3 times (I hope lol) that would mean you're right and there's something really wrong with the bracket, because it's not what say the rules. 

• 949 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 6:38 AM

  @JoeMaverick   I'm just coping what WGT has in the rulebook, but if you won those matches, then you know the previous tiebreaker rules were in your favor.

  ---- another note on the OP statement though

  The rules clearly state the outcome if someone WDs from a bracket.  And the final sentence below, that next opponent is WGT in the final match.  It is what it is...

  What happens if my opponent or I don’t complete a round?

  If you are scheduled to play a round but do not post a score before the round ends then you will be eliminated from the bracket and your opponent will move on. If neither player completes the round then neither player will move on and the opponent in the next round will automatically win the match.

  ---------

  Another thought on why it is important to play each round.

  Maybe WGT is trying to help us by forcing(passive-aggressive manner) players to finish so that no Sandbagging goes on.  I know many players on this site who refuse to post scores if it will affect their average.  That is BS.  But, if they want to have an unrealistic average, i guess it is their prerogative.

  I keep this in mind when playing this site, WGT is here to offer a fun gaming experience to all those who choose to participate.  At the same time, WGT is here to make money.  Without them making money, we players have nothing. 

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 6:40 AM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  "... the earlier-submitted entry between or among the tied entries will be deemed the better scoring entry."

  Pays to get your round completed early.

  Are you sure?  It also reads like it could mean better join the bracket early, you enter when you pay.  The earlier submitted score would be clearer if you're right.

  Joe, there is no ambiguity over ready go's.  

  "What is the payout for a Ready-Go tournament?

  WGT pays out 80% of the total purse in WGT Credits to the top 30 finishers in the tournament. "

  I wouldn't even say it's that generous, they get 20% + ball usage etc.  It is however clear and consistent, and therefor fair, to all who enter.  The bracket (lack of) rules on payout seem shambolic to me.

• PhiEaglesFan 617 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 6:45 AM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  What happens if my opponent or I don’t complete a round?

  If you are scheduled to play a round but do not post a score before the round ends then you will be eliminated from the bracket and your opponent will move on. If neither player completes the round then neither player will move on and the opponent in the next round will automatically win the match.

  Except you don't automatically win the match.  The word 'automatically' implies no effort required from the user.  That is both incorrect and quite nebulous.  The rules should be amended to clearly state that stipulation.

  From a legal standpoint, any disagreements that arise from ambiguities in a contract are usually decided in favor of the party that signed the contract (us), not those that drew it up (WGT).

• 949 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 6:49 AM

  PhiEaglesFan:

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  What happens if my opponent or I don’t complete a round?

  If you are scheduled to play a round but do not post a score before the round ends then you will be eliminated from the bracket and your opponent will move on. If neither player completes the round then neither player will move on and the opponent in the next round will automatically win the match.

  Except you don't automatically win the match.  The word 'automatically' implies no effort required from the user.  That is nebulous.  The rules should be amended to state that clearly.

  I can't state otherwise, because i've never ran into that situation.  But if true as you state, then yes, the game needs a 'fix'.

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 7:31 AM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  What happens if my opponent or I don’t complete a round?

  If you are scheduled to play a round but do not post a score before the round ends then you will be eliminated from the bracket and your opponent will move on. If neither player completes the round then neither player will move on and the opponent in the next round will automatically win the match.

  This is true, and the underlined sentence might apply in the final, too.

  The situation is visualised by an empty space where the opponent should be. Then, the other player will commence and win by default, without playing. It is quite common in speed brackets. I've won a few of them by only playing my first and second games.

  Difference to the OP is, both spaces in the final are filled, and then you must play to win.

• JoeMaverick 843 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 9:03 AM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  @JoeMaverick   I'm just coping what WGT has in the rulebook, but if you won those matches, then you know the previous tiebreaker rules were in your favor.

  Ok sorry, I've misunderstood your statement :)

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 11:08 AM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  Another thought on why it is important to play each round.

  Maybe WGT is trying to help us by forcing(passive-aggressive manner) players to finish so that no Sandbagging goes on.  I know many players on this site who refuse to post scores if it will affect their average.  That is BS.  But, if they want to have an unrealistic average, i guess it is their prerogative.

   

  I'm a wee bit confused, why would sandbaggers not complete their round in a credit bracket?  Unless you mean they WD as their score is too low.

  Sandbagging and not completing rounds to protect your low average could not be more different and I doubt if either play a significant part in credit bracket withdrawals.

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  I keep this in mind when playing this site, WGT is here to offer a fun gaming experience to all those who choose to participate.  At the same time, WGT is here to make money.  Without them making money, we players have nothing

  Yes WGT are here to make money etc etc, it is possible to make money and be seen to be fair. Some companies even think it helps.  How often does this (both finalists withdrawing) actually happen? So, how little would it cost to pay the 80% (which comes only from the entrants credits) on these few occasions?

• micheldess 819 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 8:24 PM

  Maybe the solution  when the two players withdraw in the final is to give first place credit to the player with the best score in the semi final and second place credit to the other.

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Thu, Jan 28 2016 2:53 AM

  micheldess:

  Maybe the solution  when the two players withdraw in the final is to give first place credit to the player with the best score in the semi final and second place credit to the other.

  That sounds simple and sensible.