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Bracket fraud part 2? (@ the mods)

• shovlovin 2,112 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 4:54 PM

  I do not comprehend what has happened here, brackets are surely ruled under matchplay , and payout requires as such, unless a player is D/Q surely

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 4:58 PM

  fmagnets:

  I look forward to your next response anyhow. Always entertaining :-) 

  I was wrong. Not an entertaining response at all, just a slightly disturbing lack of ethics :-(

• 703 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 5:07 PM

  PhiEaglesFan:

  Bracket play is isolated round by round.  There is no cumulative score.  You beat your opponent, you win. By making it to the finals, you are already guaranteed a 2nd place finish at worst.

  The proper analogy would be in tennis since they also play brackets.  If Venus and Serena meet in the US OPEN Final, and Serena wins due to a walkover because Venus has to go to the hospital then Venus still wins second place.  She earned the 2nd place check and trophy simply by *reaching* the finals.

  In no case should a technical issue result in the "house" winning.  The house has already "won" by simply sponsoring the event.

  Whether you or the people you take this too believe this is right is not relevant.  The perception is that you are taking from the customers due to a technicality.  That's not the WGT I've come to know over the last 8 years.

  Yes, the simple fact is whoever reaches the final are already 1st and 2nd. So by no chance should the prize of 1st and 2nd be filtered down to other bracket members either. It should be reserved for the finalists in all cases. In case a clear winner isn't determined ,the prize money gets split. Its really the same across all sports who follow any knockout format of this sort.

• 703 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 5:13 PM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  Brackets were set up this way and are not changing. The easiest way to fix this is if you are in the final and can play the round to post a score.  We are not taking credits away or being devious in trying to trick players into losing credits. You can call it rubish or whatever you want, but when you enter the bracket you know you need to post scores to move on or win. Just making it to the final round does not mean you deserve anything. Again if you want to win and not lose credits play the round.  I am sorry but in my mind this is a non discussion and not something that needs to be answered over and over again. 

   

   

  - WGTdbloshoe 

   

• why9 907 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 5:33 PM

  WGTdbloshoe:

   I am sorry but in my mind this is a non discussion and not something that needs to be answered over and over again. 

   

   

  - WGTdbloshoe 

  im sorry too but just who are you again ?   a glorified baby sitter is that not right ? believe delusions of grander have gone to your head shoe . perhaps you should do your job and run this issue by someone with some actual authority and perhaps the legal department aswell

• 2,840 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 5:57 PM

  fmagnets:

  fmagnets:

  I look forward to your next response anyhow. Always entertaining :-) 

  I was wrong. Not an entertaining response at all, just a slightly disturbing lack of ethics :-(

   

  Sorry i could not be more entertaining for you. I will try harder next time :) 

   

  - WGTdbloshoe 

   

• cdefghi 2,872 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 6:31 PM

  Jediknight1976:

  This situation happened to me last week in a 200c Tierless bracket (#242719). I misjudged the time left for my final & ended up with time expiring on 14th green which is obviously my own fault. Had my opponent posted a score i would still have received 864c for coming 2nd. As it happens my opponent also didn't post a score - so we both received nothing.

   

  and of course seeing you both received nothing who else but WGT should be the ones to pocket the credits?  At first when I saw the thread title I thought fraud was a bit extreme, but now after seeing how this scam works,  I've reserved my right to change my mind and call it the way I see it,, stealing.

• why9 907 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 7:16 PM

  fmagnets:

  c) and because otherwise WGT is unjustly keeping 80% of all the entry fees which are supposed to be allocated to the finalists.

  WGTdbloshoe:

  Brackets were set up this way and are not changing.

  WGTdbloshoe:

  in my mind this is a non discussion and not something that needs to be answered

  cdefghi:

  the way I see it,, stealing.

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• 9,041 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 12:55 AM

  Incredible stance you've taken here Shoe..expected to read..

  "We'll get it fixed ASAP, we WGT were not aware of this issue and can assure our customers that it was in no way a deliberate deception on our part"..when I got up this morning, instead.....

  WGTdbloshoe:

  Brackets were set up this way and are not changing.

  Shocking to hear it is not a glitch or a programming oversight BUT a calculated decision by WGT from the conception to the rolling out of BRACKETS...

  Defending the indefensible is just that...

  INDEFENSIBLE !!

  Andy :-(

   

• 1,866 Posts

  Wed, Jan 27 2016 1:33 AM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  but when you enter the bracket you know you need to post scores to move on or win.

  It actually doesn't say anything anywhere about forfeiting 80% of the purse to WGT if the 2 top players don't play the final.

  I dare you to name any competition that would keep 80% off the purse in a case like this, especially considering the organisers never put a dime in it. Since the purse is made solely with entry fees, it should be paid out in total, in whatever manner you choose, but always IN TOTAL. I expect if anyone organised a comp and took 80% IRL, it would be the last 1 they organised.

  I always liked and respected you, Shoe. But taking a stance like this...

  C'mon man