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Bracket fraud part 2? (@ the mods)

• Tamsach 2,823 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 2:23 AM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  Brackets were set up this way and are not changing. The easiest way to fix this is if you are in the final and can play the round to post a score.  We are not taking credits away or being devious in trying to trick players into losing credits. You can call it rubish or whatever you want, but when you enter the bracket you know you need to post scores to move on or win. Just making it to the final round does not mean you deserve anything. Again if you want to win and not lose credits play the round.  I am sorry but in my mind this is a non discussion and not something that needs to be answered over and over again. 

  - WGTdbloshoe 

  I could call this: a train robbery! Fortunately I had no one of the problems written here. I play daily many brackets and I've always received all the credits due. For sure, I never withdrawn from a single round, expecially the last one. Once I passed the turn even with a +1.

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 3:06 AM

  To get a realistic view of it, read the commons of our relation to the company, the T&Cs. In short, and unjudicial, it says that we lose any rights after spending the money - credits and such are totally under their control.

  Otherwise, have fun here!!

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 4:00 AM

  It's nonsensical to pick one word out of a sentence and use that to invent some sort of clarity. The paragraph quoted is absolutely no help with what is being discussed, the final.

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  If you are scheduled to play a round but do not post a score before the round ends then you will be eliminated from the bracket and your opponent will move on. If neither player completes the round then neither player will move on and the opponent in the next round will automatically win the match.

  Who is moving on? What opponent in the next next round? Seems like the answer to the latter is wgt but surely they didn't enter.

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  WGT has told us, you don't play, you don't get paid.   

  I don't like it either, but they do have it written.

  As said I don't think it's true that they have this written, but if it is then it is inaccurate.  It has been pointed out numerous times in this thread you do get paid if you withdraw in the semi or final and your opponent plays their round.

• 949 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 11:21 AM

  DodgyPutter:

  It's nonsensical to pick one word out of a sentence and use that to invent some sort of clarity. The paragraph quoted is absolutely no help with what is being discussed, the final.

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  If you are scheduled to play a round but do not post a score before the round ends then you will be eliminated from the bracket and your opponent will move on. If neither player completes the round then neither player will move on and the opponent in the next round will automatically win the match.

  Who is moving on? What opponent in the next next round? Seems like the answer to the latter is wgt but surely they didn't enter.

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  WGT has told us, you don't play, you don't get paid.   

  I don't like it either, but they do have it written.

  As said I don't think it's true that they have this written, but if it is then it is inaccurate.  It has been pointed out numerous times in this thread you do get paid if you withdraw in the semi or final and your opponent plays their round.

  Guys, I'm on your side for God's Sake!

  Heck, I think if the final player posts a score and her opponent doesn't, the player that posted should get 1st and 2nd credits.  The player who didn't post gets nothing.  In the end, all the credits(minus WGT's initial cut) should go to the players.   And please don't try and compare this payout structure or rules to the LPGA/PGA tour.   Those people play golf for a living, we do not.

  Write to WGT that the bracket rules should change.  Here is my suggestion after reading through my comments before. (or make up your own and post here for others to comment on) * this structure rewards the player who plays to the end more if others WD.

  1) In the 3rd round of a bracket, if any player does not post a score and their opponent does, the player not posting will be WD from the bracket and receive zero credits.  These credits will add to the purse equally between first and second place.

  2) In the 3rd round of a bracket, if all players WD from the bracket, each shall receive 25% of the 1st-4th total credits. Ex:  100CR bracket entry fee, 1440 total credits, each player shall receive 360 credits.

  3) In the 4th round of a bracket, if both players WD then each shall receive 50% of the total credits of 1st and 2nd place combined.

  4) In the 4th round of a bracket, if one players posts a score and the other does not, the player posting will receive 100% of 1st and 2nd place combined credits.  The player who WD will receive zero credits.

  5) In bracket tournaments, if all players in the 3rd and 4th round post scores, the payout of credits will be:  1st - 50% ; 2nd - 30% ; 3rd & 4th each receive 10%.

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 2:00 PM

  hoghead, I don't really see the need for 1, the player who wd's has earned their credits with two wins, similar with 4.  Generally they certainly sound better than what we have as all the credits are paid out.

  The general assumption is wd's are down to bad scores and this is probably often the case, less so in the final maybe.  The only time I can remember "withdrawing* was when I had an hour and a half window to play that day and there was a downtime.

• Miantiao 401 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 2:03 PM

  @xxxhogheadxxx 

  Nup, sorry, I'm with fmagnets on this one. If I've just played two rounds and made the third then I should get the credits for a third or fourth place regardless, and same same for .first and second. 

  In the event of both fourth round players wding the winner should be chosen through a count back of the third round scores. Brackets can go get stuffed if it is decided credits won't be awarded because peops wd after playing at least two rounds.

  And who's to say a wd is the result of a poxy round? Pretty harsh xxxhogheadxxx. I might get pissed as a cricket the night before and miss four bracket rounds, which I've done before. You going to penalise me for sleeping off a hangover? And what about a personal emergency or some other business that prevents one from playing?

  Nup, sorry mate, you're the type of golf fascist I mentioned in an earlier comment.

   

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 7:15 PM

  LMAO!

   

• 949 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 9:13 PM

  Well, final input from me on this thread.

  From what WGT is telling me, a withdraw is a forfeit to them.  So good luck to us all who want it to be different.

  happy hitting :)

• PhiEaglesFan 617 Posts

  Tue, Feb 9 2016 12:19 AM

  I'm just asking for the rules to be clear either way.  There is certainly no explicit mention of WGT taking the 1st and 2nd place share when people withdraw.  Is it implied?  Perhaps.  However, hiding behind a loose implication and false/flawed logic simply isn't going to fly when money is involved.  The rules need to be clear and explicit, whatever they end up being. 

  Personally, I believe WD's should be paid in brackets, but should continue to not be paid in RGs.  This makes logical sense and is consistent with real-world precedents.  WGT is in the wrong to claim that purse money.  If they don't pay withdraws, then the purse should be distributed out to those who did play a round, even if they lost.  In my mind, anything short of that is out and out stealing.  But these are just my opinions.

  This fact is that this situation was handled very poorly by WGT.  How you can say you won't pay withdraws then promptly pay out those who withdraw in the semi-finals and final when the opponent does play is beyond common sense.  It's also a bit insulting.  WGT customers deserve a little more respect than that.  I should know.

  Consistency in the logic would be greatly appreciated. You either pay withdraws in all cases in brackets, or you pay no withdraws in all cases in brackets.  So, which is it? 

  Currently, it is neither.  That's why you have a thread that is eleven pages deep of angry people on your hands, by which you actually seem perplexed.

  I'm surprised that this needs to be explained and disappointed by your inability to properly acknowledge the situation.  As I said, insulting.

  Tell me again why this is a "non-discussion"?

• liam91 3,130 Posts

  Wed, Feb 10 2016 6:02 AM

  PhiEaglesFan:

  Tell me again why this is a "non-discussion"?

  my guess is that they don't have a reasonable,logical explanation as to why if 1 player doesn't play in the final both get paid out but if both don't play the final no-one gets paid out.