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Bracket fraud part 2? (@ the mods)

• PhiEaglesFan 617 Posts

  Wed, Feb 3 2016 9:33 PM

  why9:

  well i supose this thread will just go away soon

  I suspect that it may stick around for a while.

  If people get a deaf ear here, which it appears we have, then the next step is to start writing customer service.  Daily.

• why9 907 Posts

  Fri, Feb 5 2016 8:05 PM

  PhiEaglesFan:

  If people get a deaf ear here, which it appears we have, then the next step is to start writing customer service.  Daily.

     to be totally honest i dont even have a dog in the fight im far from good enough to try n compete with the best of y'all.   just bothers me when a guy  whos entire job is to play forum cop spews out trash like

  WGTdbloshoe:

  Brackets were set up this way and are not changing. The easiest way to fix this is if you are in the final and can play the round to post a score.  We are not taking credits away or being devious in trying to trick players into losing credits. You can call it rubish or whatever you want, but when you enter the bracket you know you need to post scores to move on or win. Just making it to the final round does not mean you deserve anything. Again if you want to win and not lose credits play the round.  I am sorry but in my mind this is a non discussion and not something that needs to be answered over and over again. 

   

   

  - WGTdbloshoe 

   

• 949 Posts

  Sat, Feb 6 2016 7:18 AM

  liam91:

  sorry hog but i disagree

  i cant find anything in the rules that says you must post a score in a bracket final to be paid out.(WGT may find it now and prove me wrong)

  if 1 posts a score and 1 doesn't you both get paid out 

  Great points Mike.

  This situation is unequal to the player that posted.  They used hits on their ball and paid the price.  Definitely a problem with this situation and WGT should correct immediately.

  liam91:

  if neither post a score no-one gets paid ....thats beyond my understanding

  What if both players together decide not to play the final round?  The loss to WGT is hits on their expensive balls.  Plus, if neither play the final round, who wins 1st?  The program isn't setup to split 1st and 2nd prize credits as it is for 3rd and 4th...that is my guess.   A simple fix, but WGT will not (and should not) because the two players didn't post a score.  I would change my opinion and say the two finalist should get the same credits as 3rd and 4th vice nothing.

  I will keep sending CS this information until it is resolved.

• 1,866 Posts

  Sat, Feb 6 2016 10:08 AM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  The loss to WGT is hits on their expensive balls.

  There is zero loss to WGT, cause they didn't put a dime in the purse. They take their 10% out of entry fees and that's ALL they should take. The whole purse should be paid out to the players, one way or the other. Same as it is in RGs, if only 1 out of 50 players plays the round, he gets the WHOLE purse, not just the 1st place prize.

• 949 Posts

  Sat, Feb 6 2016 10:35 AM

  mkrizan86:

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  The loss to WGT is hits on their expensive balls.

  There is zero loss to WGT, cause they didn't put a dime in the purse. They take their 10% out of entry fees and that's ALL they should take. The whole purse should be paid out to the players, one way or the other. Same as it is in RGs, if only 1 out of 50 players plays the round, he gets the WHOLE purse, not just the 1st place prize.

  good point mk...referring to the RG payout...but, in a heads-up 4th round bracket, if neither player posts a score then it is difficult for me to understand why they should be paid the full* amount (740 + 432 if 100 credit bracket).  the point is, they didn't post a score, they didn't play, they quit, died, were kidnapped, are in the hospital, passed out at a brothel, who knows :)  In the RG example you mention, at least (1) player 'posted' a score, I can see them rightfully receiving all the credits.

  *they both should get 3rd place credits though.  not right for wgt to keep all the credits

• 703 Posts

  Sat, Feb 6 2016 11:28 PM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  they both should get 3rd place credits though.  not right for wgt to keep all the credits

  Why should they get 3rd place credits when they are the top 2 though(regardless if they post a score or not)..

  As for WGT's loss for expensive balls not being used, will brackets not pay out if both the players use starter balls?

• 949 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 12:04 AM

  razza31:

  Why should they get 3rd place credits when they are the top 2 though(regardless if they post a score or not)..

  Because they(both) didn't play the final round.  Rules state and the key word is highlighted for you.

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  What happens if my opponent or I don't complete a round?

  If you are scheduled to play a round but do not post a score before the round ends then you will be eliminated from the bracket and your opponent will move on. If neither player completes the round then neither player will move on and the opponent in the next round will automatically win the match.

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  So eliminated means completely remove or get rid of (something) or exclude (someone or something) from consideration.

  WGT has told us, you don't play, you don't get paid.   

  I don't like it either, but they do have it written.

  razza31:

  As for WGT's loss for expensive balls not being used, will brackets not pay out if both the players use starter balls?

  Sure they will.  But I guarantee you that no one is making the final round playing starter balls.

• 1,866 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 12:29 AM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  WGT has told us, you don't play, you don't get paid.   

  I don't like it either, but they do have it written.

  The problem is, you DO get paid, if you WD, as long as the other finalist posts a score. And that's the issue.

  We have a difference of opinion, but I have no problem with that. For me, the finalists have beaten the field by reaching the final, therefore should get paid more than the rest, no matter if they show up to play or not.

  But I could accept any payout scheme (even the one where no WDs get a dime), as long as THE WHOLE purse goes to the rest of the field. But there's not one single excuse for WGT to keep a single dime out of that purse, cause they didn't put anything in. Any real life organiser would've been booed out of the business (and dragged into a court of law) for even trying to pull something like that.

   

• Miantiao 401 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 12:56 AM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  fmagnets:

  because both finalists have won 3 matches to get there. They have earned the right not play the final round and take second place should they wish. If neither manage to play, they have still earned the right to split 1st and 2nd prize by way of their previous victories.

   

  That would be like saying if you played in a PGA Tour event for 71 out of 72 holes and are leading and WD due to injury, emergency, or whatever reason they want, you should get paid because you played the previous rounds and were leading so you deserve the winnings. That is not a legitimate argument.  If you want to get paid out finish the round and win the credits.  If you don't want to play in the final round don't enter the tournament.  This is not something wrong with the brackets and will not change.

   

  - WGTdbloshoe

   

  Garbage! If I'm playing a shocker in the final, or any game for that matter, where I've been metered and lost balls or missed 3 ft putts as a result which I'm sure many others have as well, then I'll withdraw and expect my credits tyvm! 

  This isn't the PGA, and if you really want to go down that ridiculous train of logic then you should very well start to implement single round first rounds in all credit tournaments including the VT.Sick of hearing whinging, purist fascists dictating their subjective, higher than thou, virtual golf dogma to others.

  If both players withdraw in a bracket final then the winner of the final should be determined by a count back based upon the scores both finalists posted in the previous round. Simple as that.

  Mike

• 703 Posts

  Sun, Feb 7 2016 2:16 AM

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  So eliminated means completely remove or get rid of (something) or exclude (someone or something) from consideration.

  When you lose(posting a score) you are erm..eliminated !! Get paid in that scenario?

  xxxhogheadxxx:

  But I guarantee you that no one is making the final round playing starter balls.

  Irrelevant what happens before the final.. Playing 3 rounds with premium balls and WD/play with starters in final is the same in terms of ball usage argument(which is a moot argument as they get their 20% cut anyway and bracket entry is not given based the balls a player is going to use).. Its a player's prerogative what he chooses. Why should payout be any different in that case?