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Bracket fraud part 2? (@ the mods)

• 1,866 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 2:51 PM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  If you want to get paid out finish the round and win the credits.

  Wrong. People get paid out for 2nd place every time, when they WD in the final, as long as their opponent posts a score.

  The unfair part is that if, by any chance, the other guy WDs as well, they both get nothing. This makes it unfair.

  WGTdbloshoe:

  This is not something wrong with the brackets and will not change.

  A matter of opinion.

• DodgyPutter 4,690 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 3:16 PM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  That would be like saying if you played in a PGA Tour event for 71 out of 72 holes and are leading and WD due to injury, emergency, or whatever reason they want, you should get paid because you played the previous rounds and were leading so you deserve the winnings. That is not a legitimate argument.

  That is like saying if the the leader(s) after 71 of 72 holes of a PGA Tour event withdraws the PGA keep first (and second) place prize money, they wouldn't.

  Fair enough if you don't finish you don't get paid (unless your opponent does finish) but in all fairness the winnings/entry fees should be paid to someone in the bracket.

• Jediknight1976 106 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 3:20 PM

  WGTdbloshoe:

   

  If they don't finish, why would we pay them out?  Like any tournament, you need to finish to get paid.

   

  -  WGTdbloshoe

   

  WGTdbloshoe:

    If you want to get paid out finish the round and win the credits.  If you don't want to play in the final round don't enter the tournament.  This is not something wrong with the brackets and will not change.

   

  - WGTdbloshoe

  If that is the WGT stance on bracket payouts then that is their decision - fair enough. But as has already been mentioned that's not always the case at moment. You do get paid for losing a semi or final with a wd or no score posted as long as opponent posts a score. So if the brackets are designed not to payout to anyone not finishing/posting in their particular round then that is an error that needs changing.

  If that is not an error then it surely can't be right that in the same instance where you would have received credits for losing a semi or final with a wd or no score posted had your opponent posted a score, you receive nothing if your opponent also happens to wd or no score?

  This situation happened to me last week in a 200c Tierless bracket (#242719). I misjudged the time left for my final & ended up with time expiring on 14th green which is obviously my own fault. Had my opponent posted a score i would still have received 864c for coming 2nd. As it happens my opponent also didn't post a score - so we both received nothing.  

   

   

   

   

• mbcarp99 1,078 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 4:03 PM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  That would be like saying if you played in a PGA Tour event for 71 out of 72 holes and are leading and WD due to injury, emergency, or whatever reason they want, you should get paid because you played the previous rounds and were leading so you deserve the winnings. That is not a legitimate argument.

  The difference being to enter a bracket we pay to play and if both finalists WD you keep all their credits, if players leading WD in a PGA tour event the whole purse will still get paid out to the leading player who did not WD and not kept by the PGA, so your's isn't a legitimate argument either is it

   

• fmagnets 3,640 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 4:14 PM

  WGTdbloshoe:

  That would be like saying if you played in a PGA Tour event for 71 out of 72 holes and are leading and WD due to injury, emergency, or whatever reason they want, you should get paid because you played the previous rounds and were leading so you deserve the winnings. That is not a legitimate argument.

  You do write some rubbish sometimes Shoe!! Why liken a 72 hole PGA strokeplay event to a bracket event? Why not consider what would happen in a comparable event, like the World Matchplay, when neither finalist is able to compete in the final round for whatever reason (maybe both injured before tee off, or maybe persistent bad weather for so long the final round had to be cancelled). In this case, the PGA Tour would not keep the prize money. They might toss a coin for the match, but more likely they would declare equal first for both finalists and split 1st and 2nd prize money between them - exactly what is being suggested.

  If you are determined to go the strokeplay route, there was an event on the European Tour where the two 'finalists' were the two leaders having a playoff. They kept halving holes until light ran out, and neither could come back the following day due to scheduling so they were declared joint winners and shared 1st and 2nd.

  I look forward to your next response anyhow. Always entertaining :-) 

• cappiest 1,346 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 4:27 PM

  OMG. just catching up on this. WGT keeping our credits now too....i dont care if both withdraw then 3rd 4th get the credits. WGT doesnt get them. Thats just wrong. Fix the structure to pay the players out....not to WGT's benefit. They took their share already....WRONG no matter how u look at it.

• rainbeam 64 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 4:27 PM

  2002 Australian PGA Championship ended in a tie when both players could not continue the playoff on the Monday.  Prize money was shared.

• PhiEaglesFan 617 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 4:29 PM

  @TheShoe

  I'm not usually one to bother with this kinda crap anymore, but they (the people) do have a fair point on this one.

  Tournament bracket play is not stroke play.  Tournament play is a cumulative total of 4 individual scores.  Your first stroke is just as important as your last.

  Bracket play is isolated round by round.  There is no cumulative score.  You beat your opponent, you win. By making it to the finals, you are already guaranteed a 2nd place finish at worst.

  The proper analogy would be in tennis since they also play brackets.  If Venus and Serena meet in the US OPEN Final, and Serena wins due to a walkover because Venus has to go to the hospital then Venus still wins second place.  She earned the 2nd place check and trophy simply by *reaching* the finals.

  In no case should a technical issue result in the "house" winning.  The house has already "won" by simply sponsoring the event.

  Whether you or the people you take this too believe this is right is not relevant.  The perception is that you are taking from the customers due to a technicality.  That's not the WGT I've come to know over the last 8 years.

  I'm generally a staunch defender of your business due to my past personal association.  I know how you guys work, and I personally know and respect (at least 2 of) the guys who make the decisions there.  However, you are in the wrong this time; and to be perfectly blunt it comes off as dishonest.

  You need a viable and clear solution here;  not a deaf ear.  This can't simply be a "gray area" that isn't discussed in the tournament rules.

  Do the right thing here.

   

• cappiest 1,346 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 4:43 PM

  So if i put myself in WGT shoes and host a tournament and say i collected $100 and charge $10 for hosting. At the end of the tournament 1st, 2nd, 3rd couldnt finish then i get to keep the $90.

  WGT is ok with that? Seriously? Your joking right?

  Fix the payout structure to be split accordingly....what your doing here is so wrong. WGT is treading on some pretty thin ice with this i would say.

  What you need to consider here is that credits to us players are purchased with real money....so essentially they are real money to us. You are keeping that money/credits that the players used to enter a tournament with. I have read and there is nothing in your tournament rules to cover this. 

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

• 2,840 Posts

  Tue, Jan 26 2016 4:48 PM

  Brackets were set up this way and are not changing. The easiest way to fix this is if you are in the final and can play the round to post a score.  We are not taking credits away or being devious in trying to trick players into losing credits. You can call it rubish or whatever you want, but when you enter the bracket you know you need to post scores to move on or win. Just making it to the final round does not mean you deserve anything. Again if you want to win and not lose credits play the round.  I am sorry but in my mind this is a non discussion and not something that needs to be answered over and over again. 

   

   

  - WGTdbloshoe