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Thu, Aug 25 2016 10:35 PM (56 replies)
  • roddy1234
    880 Posts
    Sat, Mar 19 2016 11:31 PM

    DAZZA501:

    While i wish you all the best with your country club and what you're trying to do Roddy, poaching/attempted poaching of other clubs members is a big no no here on wgt and is frowned upon by many players.

    I would suggest you change your recruitment approach instead of sending out random invites to players already in clubs as you have done to some of my members.

    Regards

    Dazza (Wooden Tee Owner)

     

    Thanks for your good wishes Dazza.

     

    I do wonder about the "poaching" analogy, but I'm quite familiar with the feelings of many club owners. To get a take on my perspective, you could do worse than read my recent post "Fiefdoms & fallacies", which sums up my feelings towards such accusations.

     

    As for our targeting being random, I can assure you nothing could be further from the truth; we take great care in selecting players. Indeed, depending on the tier involved we typically only invite 10% of all the profile pages we review.

     

    As you can probably imagine, looking at the score and activity history of 100 players to invite just 10 is a time consuming affair, but a pursuit I believe to be ultimately worthwhile. It saves aggravating fellow "owners" too much while keeping our turnover of new members down to a minimum. And I question whether it is the players who frown upon it. Nobody likes "junk" mail, but it is simple enough to discard it in the bin if it is of no interest. My experience is that it is the owners who have a problem with it....but as I say, please do read my other post. One of "my" members was quite flattered to receive an invitation to the Georgian a couple of days ago.

     

    As I have said elsewhere, we do not, and never will, target specific clubs ...unlike some of the larger clubs hypocrytically do; so in that respect it may appear that our targeting is random. And if this has resulted in one or two of your members being targeted then I apologise. It is not intentional; we target players, irrespective of their current club status ...we do not target clubs.

     

    I hope this helps to explain our apparently random behaviour.

     

    Onwards and upwards,

     

    Roddy

     

    P.S. I can almost guarantee you that the members in question reside within the UK, their profile name starts with the letter A-C and are either tour pros, masters or tour masters. I hope this demonstrates the honesty with which I speak, and always will.

  • roddy1234
    880 Posts
    Wed, Mar 30 2016 11:18 AM

    DAZZA501:

    While i wish you all the best with your country club and what you're trying to do Roddy, poaching/attempted poaching of other clubs members is a big no no here on wgt and is frowned upon by many players.

    I would suggest you change your recruitment approach instead of sending out random invites to players already in clubs as you have done to some of my members.

    Regards

    Dazza (Wooden Tee Owner)

    Sorry Dazza, I missed your post.

    Thanks for the good wishes.

    Trust me when I say that nothing we do is random; if you'd like my views on poaching, you can find them here, and here. But just to be clear, we go through general lists and invite all who meet our criteria, irrespective of club status, as I believe it should be.

    I sincerely hope and expect that, if you've already had one or two from us, the law of averages suggests you should be in for a quiet spell from us.

     

    Roddy

     

  • moejo857
    22 Posts
    Wed, Mar 30 2016 6:52 PM

    the cc should respect there players 2 not leaving them as a recruit for every that's y i play alone what is there to lose i use my free passes and buy them 2 i just don't get it.

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Thu, Mar 31 2016 9:20 AM

    moejo857:

    the cc should respect there players 2 not leaving them as a recruit for every that's y i play alone what is there to lose i use my free passes and buy them 2 i just don't get it. (?)

    I agree there should be respect and loyalty shown by both sides. Most people join a CC to belong to something..a way to make friends, build camaraderie, achieve things as part of a team (CC vs CC matches, for example). 

    While it's viewed as poor form to overtly poach, there is no rule against it. Players who leave their CC obviously aren't happy, so probably best to part ways. 

     

  • CEverett12
    14,177 Posts
    Thu, Apr 7 2016 4:26 PM

    This poor club is desperate for members , I feel sorry for them , LOL

    Maybe I will send you a few .................."Oh"  you posted an invite on our directors wall ,  Not good .......................

  • roddy1234
    880 Posts
    Thu, Apr 7 2016 7:15 PM

    CEverett12:

    This poor club is desperate for members , I feel sorry for them , LOL

    Maybe I will send you a few .................."Oh"  you posted an invite on our directors wall ,  Not good .......................

     

    I think the word you were trying to find is keen, not desperate.

     

    And I'm sure most players on here, ireespective of their current club status, are grown up enough to deal with an advert on their wall. It can be deleted ...just like the 5 cc invites you sent to our members earlier...Simple :-)

  • SuperKanga
    3,628 Posts
    Fri, Apr 15 2016 7:34 PM

    I also wish you the best with your CC, but I'm afraid I'm in total agreeance with Dazza501.

    Your recruitment message is superb, but I feel you need to keep it aimed at players who are currently not members of a CC.

    I don't appreciate recruitment messages on MY members' walls, and I don't care how you dress it up with fancy vocabulary...poaching is poaching!

    Rob ( Scoundrels & Wenches Owner )

  • roddy1234
    880 Posts
    Fri, Apr 15 2016 11:53 PM

    SuperKanga:

    I also wish you the best with your CC, but I'm afraid I'm in total agreeance with Dazza501.

    Your recruitment message is superb, but I feel you need to keep it aimed at players who are currently not members of a CC.

    I don't appreciate recruitment messages on MY members' walls, and I don't care how you dress it up with fancy vocabulary...poaching is poaching!

    Rob ( Scoundrels & Wenches Owner )

    Hi Rob, many thanks for the constructive criticism, it make a refreshing change I have to be honest.. And I appreciate your opinion. I've written quite extensively elsewhere regarding recruitment, and this "thing" so many call poaching, and I'm guessing you've read it; but if not you can read them here.

     

    In my opinion, owners demanding that nobody is allowed to communicate with "their" members is akin to insisting that estate agents don't advertise their properties to people already living in homes; that they can only market their properties to people without a home.

     

    I've also mentioned elsewhere that the demand of owners on others to self censor their access to the universally available player directory is ludicrous.

     

    Picking members from a country club list of members isn't a very nice thing to do, and if anyone found themselves needing help against such an attack, I'd be there at the front offering my services.

     

    But trawling through a larger, more general list of players generated by the WGT directory is absolutely fair game. We are very select in who we choose to post our adverts to, but if they play regularly, irrespective of their current club status, we will post our ad, then send the invite a day or so later. 

     

    If they are happy where they are, it's likely the last contact we'll have with them, as they'll decline our invitation ...and stick with the status quo. Or, they've been thinking about leaving for some time, or fancy a change of scenery  ...and they accept our invitation, and move on!!

     

    I guess we just see things differently, and I'd be comfortable standing up in a room full of non WGT players and explain my position, and the logic that lies behind it. I wonder how many of the owners on here would be prepared to stand up in a more general public forum and attempt to rationalise this apparently governing concept of poaching, and account for its "fairness". I'd pay money to see that ;-)

     

    As I said earlier, thanks for your input, constructive criticism is always welcome. I however believe in a more equitable solution; one of free access to and from all, a free market economy, with members free to receive "junk mail" ...and just as free to bin it, or read it some more.

     

    Roddy

     

  • CuckooKaChoo
    40 Posts
    Sat, Apr 16 2016 12:33 PM

    Holy Moly. All this energy. I like it. But being NEW to this site and game. and looking for a CC to join so that I can make friends and play the game I LOVE (even if I am WAY better here than on the real course) :) , I am starting to wonder if I really want to join a club now. I shall elaborate...

    I've not seen ANY clubs that are recruiting on in this forum yet that seem to want to give NEW players an entry into their club. it seems that At the very least you have to be PRO or better. In the same respect I've tried to set up a MP game to get to KNOW people here, people come in and than once they see I am Amateur and only L26, they decline and are gone. Seems a tad snobby to me.

    Next...there seems to be ALOT of animosity between clubs not sure why since I am new here so will let that slide for now. And I know nothing about the free pass to earn stuff for the club etc... etc...so again will defer till I know more.

    And the last thing is... While looking at various clubs memberships I always sort by Last Date Played...and I have found that in virtually every one I've looked at only a fraction of the membership play on a daily basis. And the clubs that have very active memberships are not accepting new members.

    So to Roddy...your club seems like a great place to settle into if all that you say about it is true. I am a new player. I joined this site through the Mobile app  4 days ago I think, and have reached L26 Amateur playing on an 8 inch tablet. I finally dusted off my computer and checked out the real WGT and am hooked. Hell I've already spent over 50 bucks just to have the clubs I have now so I think that speaks for itself as to whether or not I am going to keep playing LOL.  !!!

    So what do you say ??

    "And here's another clue for you all...the Walrus was Paul"

    Peace

    CuckooKaChoo

  • roddy1234
    880 Posts
    Sat, Apr 16 2016 10:39 PM

    CuckooKaChoo:

    So what do you say ??

    "And here's another clue for you all...the Walrus was Paul"

    Peace

    CuckooKaChoo

    Thanks for that, and we are indeed a great place for talent, focus and fun. We have several members who are happy, and have the time, to help newer members improve their game.

     

    I notice that you appear to have found a new home already, but I've posted our advert on your wall. an invitation will be along tomorrow; it would be great to have you on board, but also happy if you've found somewhere to settle so quickly.

     

    Onwards and upwards

     

    Roddy

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