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These scores of low 50's

• Jerm65 1,413 Posts

  Fri, Aug 5 2011 11:29 PM

  macbar:

  I have missed the ding in this supposed simulator by as little as two friggin pixels then watched my shot go 15 yards offline.

  And I've missed the ding by 1/4 inch or more....only to have it fly relatively straight, and land by the hole.  So what's your point?

  Don't confuse unique occurrences with a general rule.  999 times out of 1,000, my 1/4 inch miss turns out as expected...very poorly.  But every once in a while, there's a random piece of dirt, or a rock, that gets between your club and the ball....and she just don't fly right, y'know?

  "Any shot not dinged is fair game" (or something to that effect?)

  Besides, it's not one player, or two players winning all the tournaments. Any one of a large group of elite players can win on any given day.  Are they all cheating?

  No.  It's the one who's dinging their irons consistently that wins...or else the one who's putter is hot.  Or a combination of both.

  It's easy to shoot low scores...in theory.  You don't need to hit every shot perfectly.  Not even close!  You only need to hit one perfect shot on each hole...or even one close-to-perfect shot.  My suggestion is to make that your 2nd or 3rd shot.  Should be around a 54 by my math....give or take.

• lvietri 3,326 Posts

  Sat, Aug 6 2011 4:55 AM

  Jerm .. you got it !!!!     

  I'll even go so far as to say ... the better players don't even try to ding every shot.   With any kind of cross wind they miss intentionally to either side of the ding to take away the added effect of the wind taking the ball where they don't want it.   Jake, Bollux and a few others have pointed that out quite a bit in the past.   Learning to hit early or late of the ding as you play the wind is the best way to score low.    Oh .. and you better be able to putt and read greens.   Miss on the high side and give yourself a chance (just like real golf).

• macbar 79 Posts

  Sat, Aug 6 2011 9:01 AM

  I suppose that is possible. Perhaps I do suck at the game. Would you like to find out firsthand? I'll be glad to play a match play or stroke play round with you to see if I do or I don't. Unfortunately, SC law won't allow me to gamble on the outcome but I'm sure that we can work out some stakes such as a sleeve of balls or something just to make it interesting.

  All of that being said, no one has yet to explain to me how balls roll perfectly to the hole then seemingly levitate right across to the other side or how a very nominally mis-hit shot winds up going 10 - 15 yards offline and winds up in the deep rough or weeds. When I say nominally mishit, I mean missing the ding by a pixel or so. That's a pretty damn slight miss in my book to have such disastrous results. Definitely some WGT gremlins at work here I'd say. I've played the real game for a long, long time and even given all of the variables of physics, this kind of weird stuff just doesn't happen on a live course. It has to be built into the game. Since I've paid quite a bit of money to WGT for the right to play this game at my level, I think that I have the right to expect a fair shot at winning in the tourneys. All I'm asking is give me what I hit. Nothing more ... nothing less.

• genorb 1,255 Posts

  Sat, Aug 6 2011 9:32 AM

  macbar:

  All of that being said, no one has yet to explain to me ... how a very nominally mis-hit shot winds up going 10 - 15 yards offline and winds up in the deep rough or weeds. When I say nominally mishit, I mean missing the ding by a pixel or so. That's a pretty damn slight miss in my book to have such disastrous results. 

  Even when you ding a shot, the ball can go anywhere (with a uniform distribution or not, this I don't know) inside the circle of precision associated to the club you have. I do not know the size of this circle but the more dots for precision the smaller the circle. So this put some randomness into the game.

  When you don't ding a shot, forgiveness enters into account. This is also another source of randomness. This is why sometime, you miss by far the ding and the shot is still good and sometime you miss by an hair and the shot is bad. All in all, I think it compensates each other (as it should if this is really random). But of course we remember more easily a bad shot while missing by an hair the ding than a good shot where we missed by a large amount the ding.

  Regards

• mohuyu 891 Posts

  Sat, Aug 6 2011 10:36 AM

  genorb:

  macbar:

  All of that being said, no one has yet to explain to me ... how a very nominally mis-hit shot winds up going 10 - 15 yards offline and winds up in the deep rough or weeds. When I say nominally mishit, I mean missing the ding by a pixel or so. That's a pretty damn slight miss in my book to have such disastrous results. 

  Even when you ding a shot, the ball can go anywhere (with a uniform distribution or not, this I don't know) inside the circle of precision associated to the club you have. I do not know the size of this circle but the more dots for precision the smaller the circle. So this put some randomness into the game.

  When you don't ding a shot, forgiveness enters into account. This is also another source of randomness. This is why sometime, you miss by far the ding and the shot is still good and sometime you miss by an hair and the shot is bad. All in all, I think it compensates each other (as it should if this is really random). But of course we remember more easily a bad shot while missing by an hair the ding than a good shot where we missed by a large amount the ding.

  Regards

  Excessive spin always leads to awry shots when the ding is missed even slightly. Its always best to play a shot with as little spin as you possibly can.

   

• macbar 79 Posts

  Sat, Aug 6 2011 11:16 AM

  Now THERE is a piece of advice that makes some sense. I never thought about the impact of the spin on the ball and will give it a try without the spin. Thanks for the advice my friend. I will definitely take it into consideration and see if it helps. 

  Guys, please don't get the impression that I'm on a hunting expedition to find potential cheats. I just want to be able to compete in the game and derive an appropriate degree of enjoyment out of it in the process. If I hit a bad shot, I hit a bad shot and I'm more than willing to accept the consequences. But if I hit a good shot, I also think that I should be able to expect a reasonable degree of reward for my efforts.

  Thanks again.

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Sat, Aug 6 2011 11:45 AM

  macbar:

  Yet I am to believe that the current leader of the NKF Cadillac tourney was able to shoot -22 with a score of 50? Pardon me ... but Horse Hockey! The only way I'll believe it is if I can see it with my own two eyes by standing behind the guy while he plays and watching every move he makes.

  Luckily, whether you believe it doesn't make a whit of difference.  We will play on.  For the record, I'd be happy if every player who thinks there is cheating going on would all just leave.  Go play somewhere there isn't cheating.  Go play TWO, where low 50 scores are the norm.

  The fact is, if you have been playing regularly for two years, with the best equipment, maybe you need to look into another pastime.  Others are just better at this than you.

  macbar:

  Prove me wrong please or just stay out of it. I don't need to hear a bunch of smart ass remarks from those who have no clue what I have experienced firsthand.  Something is just not right here and I think that most of you know it but are afraid to say it out loud. 

  And we don't need to hear a bunch of whining from someone who just can't make the grade.  YOU prove someone is cheating, shut up, or deal with those that point fingers at the inferior player who whines about cheating because he can't play as well as others.  But you are quite right about something not being right.  Good players shouldn't have to listen to this constant whining.  It's just not right.

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Sat, Aug 6 2011 11:54 AM

  lvietri:

  Why does everything have to be fair ... life is not fair ... not in my world anyway.

  During Tiger Woods' troubles, he I am sure didn't have a chance to practice as much as his fellow pros.  And due to his troubles, he missed a lot of tourneys.  Should all those be invalid because Tiger didn't get to practice as much as the next player?  Should they have been cancelled because Tiger didn't get to play?  Iukine, you have the OPTION to play the unlimited tourneys (the only pay unlimiteds are CC tourneys) as often as you like.  Is it fair to the others that they have to curtail their attempts because you choose to put, say, your job first?  Your choice.  So to be fair to the others, if you aren't going to try as often as they do, just don't try at all.

  As long as they don't cut them a day shorter than posted, it's all good.

• genorb 1,255 Posts

  Sat, Aug 6 2011 12:00 PM

  Why all this aggressiveness in so much posts in this forum :). Everyone can post arguments while staying cool, polite and respectful, at least it seems to me. This is just a game. Moreover it is supposed to be played mostly by adults... Get relax gents :) .

  (I know this post is a vain effort, but I post it anyway :) )

  Regards

• Sanco 1,345 Posts

  Sat, Aug 6 2011 2:08 PM

  macbar:

  I have bought all of the latest equipment and balls, have blazing hot Internet and a fast computer and the absolute best that I've ever been able to post under weak course conditions has been -12 for 18 holes.

  Then I must wonder what cheat you must using as I have never been able to post such scores - not even once!

  Just kidding of course, but you get my jest.  In the end it all boils down to putting and even bad shots can be rectified by people that can putt incredibly well.