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These scores of low 50's

• macbar 79 Posts

  Mon, Aug 8 2011 1:18 PM

  Gents,

  I tried the tip that Ivietri and a couple of others gave me on the spin thing and it actually did seem to make a difference. I also took into account the tip that you gave me about missing the ding on the leaward side of the wind and it seemed to help alot too. 

  Again, I really appreciate the advice and I did not mean to stir up a bunch of stuff. My apologies to those who consistently post these fantastic scores. I can see that there is much more to the game than simply lining up a shot and hitting the ding every time. I will continue to work on my game. Who knows, maybe someday someone will accuse me of some kind of cheat! ;-). I'll look forward to it.

  Thanks again for the help!

  Cheers.

  mac

• iukine 195 Posts

  Mon, Aug 8 2011 2:09 PM

  MBaggese:

  Well, I'm not a buddy of Lou's, since he beats me in MPC, but wow, I see no where he was abusive at all, nor was BtbB.

  In fact lvetri even said he respected the opinion.

  Anyways, I can see your (Iukines) point but compare it to a real world PGA Tourney.

   

  Say you have commitments or issues that do not allow you to arrive on Monday before tourney starts on Thursday, and all you can do is get there Wednesday afternoon an get a few hours of practice in, while 90% of the field got there on Sunday night and had 3 1/2 days of extra practice.

  The PGA does not tell the players you only get "one practice round", heck, they can do 3 a day if they choose to do so.

  Now again, I understand your reasoning to level the playing field, but just because "Player X" only gets 1 hour a week free time, "Player Y" should not be held back.

  Personally I'd like practice to be unlimited, then run a 4 game tourney using the cuts similar to PGA to narrow the field to the final two rounds.

  The player in question called me out if you read between the lines, Uh, not being able to get as many practice rounds is not the issue here, it's qualifying rounds I'm talking about. Practice as many times as you want, One qualifying round, maybe even 2, but no more. Too many qualifying rounds drives the cut line down too low, OK by me, I like the challenge. But this also stirs up cries of cheat because the cut is so low. Just reading all the posts on "cheaters" got me thinking about it and I thought it might be a good suggestion. So I sent it to WGT and they said they would discuss it. Whatever that means! And because player Y gets to play 75 times and player X only gets 10. How do you see that as a level playing field. In the PGA everyone gets the same shot. The same shot!!and unlimited practice and a 4 game tourney is just what I suggest, but one difference. Just 1 qualifying round. that's the thing different. People that attack anyone in the forums are peeing into the wind. Particularly when that person they attack is pushing for something that would benefit them too. I just don't see the sense in it. I do beleive though, that there will a change coming up in the tourney format. and once again I say that this is only a suggestion to maybe alleviate some calls of cheat, that's all this is. 

• tiffer67 1,764 Posts

  Mon, Aug 8 2011 3:19 PM

  mohuyu:

  Excessive spin always leads to awry shots when the ding is missed even slightly. Its always best to play a shot with as little spin as you possibly can.

  This ^ yes. 100% believer in playing as little spin as you can get away with.

   

• lvietri 3,326 Posts

  Mon, Aug 8 2011 10:29 PM

  Iukine ... If you stop being paranoid - and don't try to read between the lines you can see that I am not in attack mode. 

  All I'm trying to find out is what the heck you are talking about.    You said, regarding people who play the unlimited tournaments over and over again.    Your words not mine ---

  "They can do that anytime they want, just not when they're competing against other players who have spent credits to play in these contests. We, and I mean the majority of the customers on this site do not want to donate credits to these people. Which is exactly what we're doing"

  1)  What exactly does this mean ???   No one is spending any credits to compete in the unlimited tournaments - whether they are qualifiers for the major ones - or otherwise.   Just tell me which  "majority of players" are donating credits to "these people" ??? (these people being - i guess - people who play a lot of qualifying rounds - i really am not sure what this means)

  2) I still like the format even if you might not  - and I am allowed to - just my opinion :)

  3) what may not look to be fair to you - is fair to the many players who have time to kill and play this game all day long.   Shut in's, folks who are unemployed (can't  afford real golf in this economy), disabled, elderly and other who play this game in lieu of a real game they used to play, etc. etc.

  Again - (and we disagree) I personally don't think the majority cares enough to want to change - most of the players on here (like myself) are content playing the unlimited qualifiers hundreds of times to try to make the cut (as I did) - understanding they will never be good enough to win any of the big prizes.   Or playing the unlimited weekly/monthly tournaments to try to win a few credits.

   

• iukine 195 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2011 11:46 AM

  lvietri:

  Iukine ... If you stop being paranoid - and don't try to read between the lines you can see that I am not in attack mode. 

  All I'm trying to find out is what the heck you are talking about.    You said, regarding people who play the unlimited tournaments over and over again.    Your words not mine ---

  "They can do that anytime they want, just not when they're competing against other players who have spent credits to play in these contests. We, and I mean the majority of the customers on this site do not want to donate credits to these people. Which is exactly what we're doing"

  1)  What exactly does this mean ???   No one is spending any credits to compete in the unlimited tournaments - whether they are qualifiers for the major ones - or otherwise.   Just tell me which  "majority of players" are donating credits to "these people" ??? (these people being - i guess - people who play a lot of qualifying rounds - i really am not sure what this means)

  2) I still like the format even if you might not  - and I am allowed to - just my opinion :)

  3) what may not look to be fair to you - is fair to the many players who have time to kill and play this game all day long.   Shut in's, folks who are unemployed (can't  afford real golf in this economy), disabled, elderly and other who play this game in lieu of a real game they used to play, etc. etc.

  Again - (and we disagree) I personally don't think the majority cares enough to want to change - most of the players on here (like myself) are content playing the unlimited qualifiers hundreds of times to try to make the cut (as I did) - understanding they will never be good enough to win any of the big prizes.   Or playing the unlimited weekly/monthly tournaments to try to win a few credits.

   

  As far as spending credits, that's not the issue , so forget it! Stick to the issue of  alleviating some of the cries of cheat. That's the issue here.

  Nice that you like the format, I like it too. Keeping your opinion to yourself doesn't mean you can't have one, What I meant is stick to the issue.

  I'm pretty sure the shut-ins and disabled folks would like to see less cries of cheat too! Not to mention a level playing field.

   And once again, I didn't mean that all contests should be changed, just the major tourneys, the rest should be kept the way they are. Just like you said. What about my suggestion do you not understand? Pretty simple if you don't nitpick it to death. Once again be ready for a change because one is coming, whether they use my advice or whatever they do, it's coming. And once again so you're not to confused on this, it's for the good of the game, the game of golf, comp game or otherwise. And next time you want to just vent on someone who gives a constructive suggetion pick someone else pal! Thinly veiled attacks are still attacks, and that's all I'm gonna say on this.

• genorb 1,255 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2011 12:13 PM

  iukine:

  Stick to the issue of  alleviating some of the cries of cheat. That's the issue here.

  I don't see any issue here. I don't think one should have to do something if a group of people would start to pretend that the earth is flat.

  Regards

• lvietri 3,326 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2011 4:55 PM

  I don't see an issue either Genorb.   I think it's very fair the way it's set up.  I also believe anyone who cries cheat against folks in an unlimited tourney have no clue what they are saying.      I also don't believe it will change ... we will see next year I guess.    

   

• JuanMendoza 469 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2011 5:16 PM

  Sure, within 12 months everyone in the world will increase their IQ by 40 points and forget all of their selfish ignorant squabbling.

  Or not.

• iukine 195 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2011 6:01 PM

  All you guys are so clever, I think I'll just roll over and pre tend you don't try to bait other players on here too. WGT will be informed of your actions. See you in the funny papers.

• jakestanfill7 949 Posts

  Tue, Aug 9 2011 9:04 PM

  normnjs:

  I don't know but in real golf if some does 59.  It;'s big deal.   This is a simulation

  of real golf.   So if someone shoots low 60's high 50 I think that good playing.

  Think about it for a second.  We have no variables for stance or lie and the rough plays way too consistently.  While WGT strives to be the real deal we still have miles to go.  Are scores of 51 unrealistic, of course.  But if you put a PGA pro two tee boxes up and made every shot play like it was a level lie, I believe the best of the best routinely shoot in the mid 50s.

  You don't see scores like that in single play tourneys from the Legend tees.  You only see those scores in unlimited tourneys from forward tee boxes.