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sandbagging out of control

Mon, Oct 24 2011 4:39 AM (168 replies)
  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 8:24 AM

    Oldstir:
    Sorry but you're mistaken and it makes no difference when the R11 came out but I've played against lower than level 88 members using the R11.  FACT! :) 

     

    There's at least one lower level R11 driver, like around level 27 or so, could be what you played against.

  • Oldstir
    434 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 9:02 AM

    "15 pages of posts and nothing from WGT?"

    try an entire Form of hunreds of pages of complaints and that tells you even more? ;)

    but again, it's their Site, their Rules and Their prerogative to ignore and neglect to their heart's content.  The Owner won't even respond to death threats made against their customers. ;)  Nuff said. 

    of course I suspect that is mainly because the Employees don't even bother to mention most things to the owner anyway; so Chad Nelson may not even be aware of what's going wrong with his site nor might he even care even if he did know?

  • russellfahey
    4,286 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 9:17 AM

     People mention about being sanbagged in the mpc's by lower tier level players having the same equiptment as them,maybe a possible solution is that you can only play for credits within your own tier,this would then put a stop to lower tier levels beating legends or even tm's due to the yardage defiency especially that  the legends have to give away,plus the fact the lower tier players would be facing same tier related opponents with the same equiptment not giving them any advantage,which would make sandbagging a non starter.Admittedly i don't play mpc's by choice not in fear of being sandbagged,it's just my putting can suck lol.

      As for RG'S i have played a handful but only play within my tier so we are starting from the same tee boxes,then it's down to the better players should come out on top,but i assume all tier related RG'S are from the tee boxes which is in line with there tier? if so make it that everyone has to tee off from the same tees,admittedly this would probably play into the hands of the good legends but at the end of the day you pay your money you take your chance lol

    RUSSELL

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 10:32 AM

    This is what I am saying:  For MPCs, open RGs, and open Premium tournaments, everyone should play from the same tees.

  • TotteSwede
    512 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 2:17 PM

    JaLaBar:

    This is what I am saying:  For MPCs, open RGs, and open Premium tournaments, everyone should play from the same tees.

    And WGT would quickly loose 80% of their cut on these tourneys/matches as players would stop playing them due to the good Legends "bottom-feeding" on lower tiers...

    Making them all tier-restricted is a viable solution though.

  • ukbasher
    8 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 3:23 PM

    You r Right, Its There SIte and THEY can do Whatever They Like, I know it Pisses off loads of Players, Especially ME, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO?

    NOTHING!. Apart from NOT using the Site, but Where Do The CREDITS you have Earned and PAYED FOR GO, WGT's Pocket. NOT BACK TO YOU, Thats For SURE!

    *** EM Lets ALL *** OFF     LOL

     

  • Jerm65
    1,413 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 3:26 PM

    Think of playing from the back tees as the virtual equivalent of a real-life handicap index.

    Making the Legend tier designates you as one of the elite players on WGT.  This means you should probably expect to encounter some form of a handicap when playing against those who aren't so elite, in order to create a level playing field (think of Ready-Go's as "net-score" tourneys).

    I reckon that if you'd simply start hitting some balls, instead of bitching and moaning about how unfair everything is now that you've become a legend....you'd probably find that your superior skills more than compensate for the extra length of the holes, and you end up beating all those sandbaggers.

    Of course, that's assuming you actually have the requisite level of talent to be a legend?  Y'know, 'cause it would be fairly silly if you'd played easy courses and tournaments repetitively....simply to lower your average enough to become a legend....without first developing your overall game to the level required of a legend, right?

    Just a thought.....

     

    Edit:  the above applies to stroke-play rounds only, (ie: RG's and tourneys), not to MPC's.  I agree that there's a huge loophole in MPC's for sandbaggers.  I'm of the, "play nobody lower than your tier", school of thought.

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 10:15 PM

    Jerm65:
    Edit:  the above applies to stroke-play rounds only, (ie: RG's and tourneys), not to MPC's.  I agree that there's a huge loophole in MPC's for sandbaggers.  I'm of the, "play nobod

     

    Well sir...venture into the world of MPC's, see if you speak from the same tounge.

  • FlyinDoc
    201 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 10:22 PM

    Jerm65:
    I reckon that if you'd simply start hitting some balls, instead of bitching and moaning about how unfair everything is now that you've become a legend....you'd probably find that your superior skills more than compensate for the extra length of the holes, and you end up beating all those sandbaggers.

     

    You're right about a lot of it. Now imagine this scenario. You are playing a really competitive Alt. Shot Tourney with a fellow Legend as your partner. Your opponents are same Level TMs with the same equipment, and almost similar skill hitting 30-60 yards less than you. How fair do you think that is? The only reason they are still TMs is that they are gaming the system by not playing Ranked rounds (most of them seem to be stuck with a 61.xx average).

    This is not a game for money, but pride, and just don't play them is a stupid answer because we will end up playing nothing if we do. Basically, WGT is encouraging people to sandbag, and punishing those who reached the highest Level.

    The solution? Include Match Play and Alt Shot stats in the algorithm for promotion, and not just the Ranked Rounds "average". Players legitimately not good enough for promotion would not have the (improving all the time) Alt. Shot and Match Play winning percentages, and would not be "punished" into a higher Tier, and the sandbaggers would not be able to stay in their Tiers by avoiding Ranked Rounds.

     

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Fri, Oct 21 2011 10:34 PM

    FlyinDoc:
    The solution? Include Match Play and Alt Shot stats in the algorithm for promotion,

     

    Agreed,

     

    Now quit beating me in MPC!!!

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