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sandbagging out of control

Mon, Oct 24 2011 4:39 AM (168 replies)
  • PRIESTESS
    10,721 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 5:51 AM

    The Question remains,How do you stop a player from levelling up to tour master or Pro, and then that player will stay ONLY in match play to stop ave going down any more and sandbagging the match play environment?. that's the question,,Not whether you should be playing them or not,,I for 1 do not play match play full stop for credits unless its with players i know,But at the end of the day we would still like this loop hole to be filled in wouldn't we:)Wgt need to find a way to cap what a player can earn in MATCH PLAY within that tier,then that player will have no choice to level up like the rest of wgt or stay in that tier without taking the $!$$ out of other players by sucking their credits off them,

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 6:04 AM

    PRIESTESS:
    Wgt need to find a way to cap what a player can earn in MATCH PLAY within that tier,then that player will have no choice to level up like the rest of wgt or stay in that tier without taking the $!$ out of other players by sucking their credits off them,

    The problem will always be that anything WGT does to curb this will cut into their revenue stream. To this day that is why I believe multiple IDs and sandbagging will never be eradicated. If you notice, the only ones that ever get dealt with are those that flaunt it or are exposed by others. :(

  • TaterNater
    545 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 6:17 AM

    yahtzee jim, think ur on to somthin.........

  • FlyinDoc
    201 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 7:27 AM

    As someone who plays a lot of Match Play Challenge games, and has both benefited and suffered from this, my suggestion is for an automatic promotion after a certain Level plus a certain number of Ranked and Scored Rounds (in a particular Tier), including Match Play Rounds. 

    It may lead to players not good enough making Legend or Master, but will also force them to upgrade equipment to stay competitive, which WGT would like.

    The present system of the number of Ranked Rounds and their average obviously doesn't work.

  • PRIESTESS
    10,721 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 7:43 AM

    YankeeJim:
    The problem will always be that anything WGT does to curb this will cut into their revenue stream.
    Agreed Jim But if they clean it up, Wont more players like you me and Mike play for credits more often?Maybe the scales in the long run will be beneficial to wgt seeing as this Match  play arena is getting such a bad rap,

  • JaLaBar
    1,254 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 8:25 AM

    One issue is that I do not believe WGT has ever officially said sandbagging is against the rules.  Technically, they are violating no T&C rules by not tiering up.

    My suggestion, which I have raised several times, is to include match play winnings in a players career winnings, and have a second trigger for elevation.  Keep the current X avg. over Y rounds, but add in a winnings based trigger similar to that mentioned above.  Once you win $10 by any method at Hack, you automatically elevate regardless if you still have a 150 stroke average, etc. etc.  We concentrate on the MPCs, but it isn't fair for players in tier RGs or even the free tourneys to have to compete against players obviously much better than their tier.  It's the same with the dual-accounts.  It's isn't fair to the legit players.

    And there lies the crux of my issues with WGT's enforcement.  I understand that WGT is wary of penalizing or punishing someone unjustly.  However, there are people that are spending their hard-earned money here, in this economy, and are doing it legitimately.  WGT's obligation is to err in favor of those players, not in favor of the cheaters and neer-do-wells.  In addition, as this is skill-gaming, WGT has an obligation to make the playing field as level as they can, and if someone has to end up unjustly penalized, to me that is favorable to someone being allowed to continue playing illegally.  In other words, I believe WGTs first obligation should be to make sure they are providing the legit players with a level playing field before worrying that they might be penalizing someone wrongly.

    The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, especially when the many are legit and the few may not be.

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 8:41 AM

    One thing I'd add regarding MPC winnings, regardless of an amount won, I think you'd have to make it "net winnings". I/e I've played 5 or 6 MPC's this month, earned maybe 1200 credits, but have lost as many too.

  • TaterNater
    545 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 8:48 AM

    bottom line i enjoy mp's over rg's cause its 1 on 1 same conditions rather than 1 against 50  no telling what conditions the other 49 get.... with that said  my playin time here has been cut down 60% because of the things mentioned in this post.....  i play with friends here and there but as i said earlier its become harder to find matches... its like they have run every1 offf......i could care less about promoting a bagger.. i say play from same tees that would either deter or make 1 level up to get used to next tiers tees or just play within their own tier... either way im becoming more of a sideline /fan than a player here now....

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 9:46 AM

    I just played a guy now who was a level 59 master, he joined Aprill 23, 2011. his first ever round at Kiwah was -5, followed by second round of 65, his first game at St Andrews was 99, remind you of something. 

  • DukemanII
    21 Posts
    Wed, Aug 31 2011 11:36 AM

    i think the biggest problem is allowing players who are pro or tour pro to have the same equipment as master or tour master and the only advantage to the legends who have to play from sometimes 70 to 80 back is a half a dot distance with a golf ball....the best equipment should be limited to the top tiers and if u want thus a pro or tour pro should only have a driver that may max at 260....because there is not a player on this site who could beat me if i was playing from white tees and they are playing from black with the same gear......

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