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Tue, Mar 27 2012 11:34 AM (84 replies)
  • G0LD
    358 Posts
    Sun, Mar 18 2012 6:29 AM

    Bob, I can understand your reluctance in spending big bucks on a game, and can identify with you and your aging reflexes. My advice to you is start small with the full set of Tour Starters under $10, combined with GI-S balls, for added spin and a slower meter at a low cost, with good durability. Your shots will be more accurate and your game more fun. If later, you want yet a slower meter, try the G12-S, or even the G13-S balls, also with good durability. 

    All the best!

  • Tonto0206
    460 Posts
    Wed, Mar 21 2012 12:58 AM

    Hey Bob you said quote " Don't really want to spend $$$ on upgraded clubs. "

    My question is   Why not ?

    Isn't that what we all do.

    You can't win credits and better clubs with the beginner equipment.

  • hbthree
    478 Posts
    Wed, Mar 21 2012 7:06 AM

    Consider the following...now that averages don't move "up" after initial stabilization when a new tier is reached....why not the following:

     

    Play Ready-Gos based on average rather than on tier....the ready-go available to the player would depend on his or her average rather than on his or her tier (tees and green speeds would still be dependent on the player's tier)...HB3

  • genorb
    1,255 Posts
    Wed, Mar 21 2012 8:54 AM

    hbthree:

    Consider the following...now that averages don't move "up" after initial stabilization when a new tier is reached....why not the following:

    Play Ready-Gos based on average rather than on tier....the ready-go available to the player would depend on his or her average rather than on his or her tier (tees and green speeds would still be dependent on the player's tier)...HB3

    Not a bad idea but with the average as computed now there are some problems. For example if you just turn legend, during 400 rounds your average is a real average. So you can play a ready-go and post a good score and then right after you can play a stroke game and post a bad score to maintain a high average. It will work only for a limited time of course (400 rounds) but still. So you can play ready-goes with other players that have a high average but you are much stronger.

    Even for those who have played more than 400 rounds you can have problems. As I wrote somewhere else, that's not so hard to have an average at 60 or just below (if you play a lot of rounds) while you "real" average is significantly higher. if you post a score of 60 one every 5 rounds (the rest being scores like 64-66), after 2000 rounds you have an average of 60. But still your real average is larger. In this example, 400 rounds at 60 + 1600 at 65 gives you a real average of 64, quite larger than what will be displayed by WGT, namely 60. 

    A possible solution would be to have a ready-go average. For example you compute the real average of your best 20 ready-goes among your last 40 ready-goes played (or something along this line). And then, as you propose, ready-goes would be played with respect to this average (and not the present WGT average). You just need to find a suitable procedure for those who haven't yet played 40 ready-goes (or any suitable number of ready-goes), but that's possible and it's just a transient state which will not last long for most ready-go players.

    Regards

  • BOBTX61
    311 Posts
    Wed, Mar 21 2012 10:12 AM

    Well........unfortunately (as I feel sure you have read)......the U.S.A. has been in a major recession for the past (3) years.....and things are not looking to improve much in 2012.  So...along with most Americans, I'm having to watch my expenses.  Though, I know, you probably don't have to spend very much in order to get "upgraded balls" or a "better" driver...to help one's game (scores & average).  Yes, I'm STILL using my "starter clus & balls"......and with all due respect to you....I'm sitting on a 72.15 avg (only 201 rounds of golf)....vs. your 68.9 avg. (you have logged approx. 500 rounds).  I also have (9) holes in one....though, I have to admit, only (1) Eagle.  So, considering I'm practically playing golf with "tree branches & rocks".....I think I'm doing OK.  And I'm having FUN.  You have to admit....it is definitely "more challenging" on these courses....when you're only playing with "starter equipment".  I saw a member on here a couple of weeks ago with an average of about 61.0 (he/she only played about 100 rounds of golf.....HOW is that possible)?  Well, I didn't think to look at that member's "golf equipment"...but, I'm betting it was the "best" equipment you can "buy".  I've only been playing WGT golf for 2-1/2 mos....it looks like some "Legends" have been on here for almost 3 yrs. and have played over 3,000 rounds......I'm really still a "newbee"....lol.  Yeah, I'll end up upgrading to better equipment as I go.....and I "can" right now, but not going to.  Going to see how I do (without) the upgrades.  Good Luck to you and ALL WGT members!!!

    Bob

  • hbthree
    478 Posts
    Wed, Mar 21 2012 11:02 AM

    genorb:

    hbthree:

    Consider the following...now that averages don't move "up" after initial stabilization when a new tier is reached....why not the following:

    Play Ready-Gos based on average rather than on tier....the ready-go available to the player would depend on his or her average rather than on his or her tier (tees and green speeds would still be dependent on the player's tier)...HB3

    Not a bad idea but with the average as computed now there are some problems. For example if you just turn legend, during 400 rounds your average is a real average. So you can play a ready-go and post a good score and then right after you can play a stroke game and post a bad score to maintain a high average. It will work only for a limited time of course (400 rounds) but still. So you can play ready-goes with other players that have a high average but you are much stronger.

    Even for those who have played more than 400 rounds you can have problems. As I wrote somewhere else, that's not so hard to have an average at 60 or just below (if you play a lot of rounds) while you "real" average is significantly higher. if you post a score of 60 one every 5 rounds (the rest being scores like 64-66), after 2000 rounds you have an average of 60. But still your real average is larger. In this example, 400 rounds at 60 + 1600 at 65 gives you a real average of 64, quite larger than what will be displayed by WGT, namely 60. 

    A possible solution would be to have a ready-go average. For example you compute the real average of your best 20 ready-goes among your last 40 ready-goes played (or something along this line). And then, as you propose, ready-goes would be played with respect to this average (and not the present WGT average). You just need to find a suitable procedure for those who haven't yet played 40 ready-goes (or any suitable number of ready-goes), but that's possible and it's just a transient state which will not last long for most ready-go players.

    Regards

     

    Don't disagree, at all, that one can manipulate one's average during the "stabilization" period after one reaches a new tier...btw, I've found that a much better way to evaluate or compare player averages is to calculate what I refer to as an imputed average score.

    I take the players par 3 average score multiplied by 4, the player's par four average score multiplied by 10, and player's par 5 average score multiplied by four and add these three results to come to the imputed average score.

     

    HB3

     

     

  • greatwhitedale
    306 Posts
    Wed, Mar 21 2012 8:05 PM

    completly agree, perhaps call them mid 50 shooters, the "NO MOUSE CLICK NEEDED DINGERS LEGENDS IN THERE OWN LUNCHBOX LEGENDS "   hmmmm maybe abit long tho lol.

  • TrufflIE
    524 Posts
    Thu, Mar 22 2012 12:52 AM

    gofbals:

    Thought this was supposed to be real golf as possible.Real golf has handicaps.You cannot be a golf professional if you don't have the game and the game is shooting low scores constantly.Other wise you get a handicap.You turn your scores in to get that handicap.All scores.You don't take the best and leave the rest.But of course the USGA or the PGA doesn't know what its doing.Comon guys they've been around a lot longer than WGT.

    Doesn't seem to be a lot of real time golfers here.whooooa is me.

    Real golf doesn't take EVERY score like you say it does...

    After a certain amount of rounds, your average ceases to go up.

    in here, and in real life.

    I've been a 2 handicap in real life for a while now, the only reason i'm not playing the tour is a simple issue of not having the skills to do it. But you don't hear me crying about how the PGA should be penalized because im not good enough to compete. Quite the opposite, I work harder and one day I will make it to the top levels of real golf.

     

    The same goes in here.

    Try to spend the time that you use to cry on the forums, and instead try to practice a bit.

    You'd be surprised where you get ;)

     

     

     

    As for those who don't understand the USGA handicap system... you get 40 scores in the system, and it take the average of the 10 worst and the 10 best. your handicap goes down when you post a score better than one of the 10 you have. and vice versa. I believe WGT works on a similar system since, after a while your handicap only goes down.

     

    my opinion, take it or leave it.

  • Courtney01
    912 Posts
    Thu, Mar 22 2012 2:16 AM

    TrufflIE:

    The same goes in here.

    Try to spend the time that you use to cry on the forums, and instead try to practice a bit.

    You'd be surprised where you get ;)

    I so so agree, Stop Ur crying and Realise it is an On Line Game, No real money, but it sure as hell Loads Of fun.

    Now Instead of crying I would Like to suggest that you do the following:

    1) Wipe all the Tears away cos it Blurs ur vision.

    2) Learn your clubs IE. hit up and down the fairways land on Greens Look at what the cary is and roll. Knowing this is Important if you think you want to get Close to the Hole.

    3) Learn the wind speeds and how it efects the ball on different Courses as well as Distances.

    4) Stop writing in the forums on How bad you are and write in a Handbook on what went wrong and how you should of hit it.......

    5) Knowing your distances Start learning what efect rough has on your shot. Trust me Even the Mighty Great Bollox ( My Friend Mat) Hits into rough, But the thing is he knows How to get out of it without Crying In  a forum.

    6) Learn you putting speeds, Take on a 9 hole and try putt 10 times per hole on crazy fades to learn. Im willing to bet thats a Waist of your time huh.... Well try it.

    7) Wipe away more tears cos Ur vision is still Blury.

    8) Try at least once a week to play with Free balls so your Meter is On crack, youll get to love the fast meter with Balls that slow it down trust me.

    9)Repeat the abouve at leat once a day till you get the hang of it. Then do it once a week to keep in touch with The game.

    10) Now that you stoped your crying, lets see if you can stop your Moaning.

     

    All top legends ( me excluded im low ranked in comparrison) will practice and make notes mental or otherwise. But i do strive to keep a mental or written note on what shot was taken and what the outcome was, Some great some Just sad, but it is the bad shots that teach you the game not the great shots.

    Have fun Hope that helps

    O yea one more thing...........................................STOP CRYING

  • TrufflIE
    524 Posts
    Thu, Mar 22 2012 2:23 AM

    Courtney01:

     

    O yea one more thing...........................................STOP CRYING

    It Blurs your vision!

     

     

    ROFLMAO

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