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• ISH47 1,963 Posts

  Sun, Jun 29 2014 9:59 PM

  We've been trying to figure out a handicap system too.. If y'all figure something out, let me or justacowboy know.. I'd appreciate it.

• Priesum 2,009 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 1:07 AM

  DaddysKat:

  Priesum:

  Maybe we should consider a CC Owners "union"...

  Not only for the handicap system issue but also to promote CC interests with WGT.

  Just a thought.....

  Kelly

  It's a good idea ... just don't limit the union to owners ... how about owners and owner's representatives?

   

  Yes of course (especially as I am currently not an owner...)

  Any other Owners/Representatives that would like to join in?

  Let's have your thoughts.

  Kelly

• Johniedino 786 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 2:33 AM

  Priesum:

  DaddysKat:

  Priesum:

  Maybe we should consider a CC Owners "union"...

  Not only for the handicap system issue but also to promote CC interests with WGT.

  Just a thought.....

  Kelly

  It's a good idea ... just don't limit the union to owners ... how about owners and owner's representatives?

   

  Yes of course (especially as I am currently not an owner...)

  Any other Owners/Representatives that would like to join in?

  Let's have your thoughts.

  Kelly

  I'm not either O/R but that's just another way for wgt to get more money...union dues ffs...wake up peeps...it's like paying something for nothing....which is the way it is here now...

  never heard of such a idiotic idea in my life....just saying...

• Priesum 2,009 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 3:18 AM

  Johniedino:

  I'm not either O/R but that's just another way for wgt to get more money...union dues ffs...wake up peeps...it's like paying something for nothing....which is the way it is here now...

  never heard of such a idiotic idea in my life....just saying...

  Who said anything about dues? This is not a WGT initiative but an idea by me, an ex CC owner, to try to make life easier for CC owners.

  The idea is to get CC owners/Representatives together to work on a unified handicap formula as WGT do not seem to pay too much attention to the issue.

  Of course other issues may be discussed as well.

  Suggest you read the posts and try to understand the topic being discussed before you make "idiotic" comments...  Just saying

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 11:38 AM

  Johniedino:

  I'm not either O/R but that's just another way for wgt to get more money...union dues ffs...wake up peeps...it's like paying something for nothing....which is the way it is here now...

  Based on your scoring history, Johnnie, I see you are an active member in your CC.  Just curious ... how many of those events that you've played have you won?

  A handicap system levels the playing field so everyone in the CC can compete and win.  It really has to suck to shoot your best score ever and come in 5th, or 10th with no chance of winning.  

  Add a handicap system and now that best score of yours just might put you in the lead, and not just middle of the pack.

  In the CC I belong to, we have a handicap system.  The issue that was presented was to come up with a universal handicap system, so CC vs CC events could be run on net scores, based on a player's handicap.

  Sounds like a brilliant idea to me ... where you came up with "dues" has to put you on the "union rich" east coast.

  It's more about solving a current problem faced by all CC's ... members like you that play a good game but don't have a chance at winning an event (unless you're the onlly one playing it) ... because there are members with more experience and better skills and/or better equipment.

  But if you had a handicap, and it was applied to your score, you could just be in the running in every event if you play your best.

   

  @Kelly ...

  It looks like only 2 non-owners even care if the members of a CC can compete fairly with the other members, regardless of their tier or playing ability!  

  I know there are other CC Owners that handicap their members in some fashion.  Handicapping should be the responsibility of WGT, since they are raking in all the cash.  Like Admin2 said, this probably won't ever see the light of day.

   

• Priesum 2,009 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 1:06 PM

  ISH47:

  We've been trying to figure out a handicap system too.. If y'all figure something out, let me or justacowboy know.. I'd appreciate it.

  Hi ISH,

  Have a formula in a spreadsheet that I am quite willing to share with your CC (same formula also being used by Newhaven as far as I am aware).

  Takes a little bit of spreadsheet knowledge (OpenOffice Calc used but can be converted to excel although some macros will be lost) but I'll be happy to explain if someone from Pinhunters would like to learn more.

  Kelly

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 1:13 PM

  DaddysKat:

  It looks like only 2 non-owners even care if the members of a CC can compete fairly with the other members, regardless of their tier or playing ability!  

  Not true Kat - there are many players who would like this and it would directly affect every CC player - thus theoretically increasing participation.

  However I think it is probably apathy on the players behalf - put quite simply, very little that gets suggested is taken seriously by WGT unless there is a buck in it.

  Even Admin2 has gone quiet, in the typical fashion of a WGT Moderator. Again it will be all talk with little substance

  As for a union and paying dues - just call it a CC Co-Operative - the title is irrelevant, it is a great idea but again time and apathy could be the death of it.

  But I applaud Kat and Kelly for at least pushing for improvements that are really needed in this game.

  Regardless, CC Owners NEED better tools at their disposal. Country Clubs are the only thing that keep many players active, so effectively are increasing the income stream significantly for the company, yet CC's are one of the most ignored aspects from the company.

• Priesum 2,009 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 1:19 PM

  alanti:

  Regardless, CC Owners NEED better tools at their disposal. Country Clubs are the only thing that keep many players active, so effectively are increasing the income stream significantly for the company, yet CC's are one of the most ignored aspects from the company.

  AMEN !

• ISH47 1,963 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 1:23 PM

  Priesum:

  I'll be happy to explain if someone from Pinhunters would like to learn more.

  Thanks!!  Now, let me see if I can find someone there with the IQ to handle it..  :)

  I'll get back to you!  \m/

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 2:50 PM

  Priesum:

  ISH47:

  We've been trying to figure out a handicap system too.. If y'all figure something out, let me or justacowboy know.. I'd appreciate it.

  Hi ISH,

  Have a formula in a spreadsheet that I am quite willing to share with your CC (same formula also being used by Newhaven as far as I am aware).

  Takes a little bit of spreadsheet knowledge (OpenOffice Calc used but can be converted to excel although some macros will be lost) but I'll be happy to explain if someone from Pinhunters would like to learn more.

  Kelly

  @Kelly ...

  Newhaven has just converted their handicap system to a "Course and Slope Rating" system.  

  Your spreadsheet served Newhaven very well for quite some time.  It is a lot easier to determine a net score, since you don't need player history to calculate an index..

  NewHaven's new system is a lot more complex ... I'm pretty confident it will serve them well going forward both now and in years to come.  (Of course, that's if WGT is still around in a few years).

  I play golf in real life in the US and have maintained a handicap index for over 10 years I've also completed their 2 day handicap training seminar.  While it isn't a perfect system, the USGA handicap system is what I tried to mirror ... although I did take a few ideas from the GA handicap system introduced in January.

  Going forward, New Haven CC will be issuing handicap indexes for all our members on the 1st and the 15th of every month.  Course handicaps are calculated following the USGA handicap calculation method for members with a positive number handicap.  For those that have a negative index (or a plus handicap golfer), we use a calculation that allows for a slight adjustment to the negative index based on the course being played.  This gives everyone an equal playing field.  If you play your best, you have a chance to win any net tourney regardless of your tier and/or playing ability.

  I posted the Course and Slope Ratings report I put together for this new system under a different thread ... I think it's found its way to page 3 or 4 by now. lol.

  Our new system is written in Excel ... I originally wrote it in January and began modifying it when I joined NHCC.  It's come a long way in the last two months.  It isn't ready to share quite yet.  Maybe someday.

  Like you said ... OpenOffice and Calc are not compatible with Excel macros ... and this system is fully macro driven.  I don't write many "formulas".

   If I do share it, those that use it will have to have Excel ver. 2007 or greater.