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A question for WGTadmin2

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 3:05 PM

  alanti:

  However I think it is probably apathy on the players behalf - put quite simply, very little that gets suggested is taken seriously by WGT unless there is a buck in it.

  Even Admin2 has gone quiet, in the typical fashion of a WGT Moderator. Again it will be all talk with little substance

  As for a union and paying dues - just call it a CC Co-Operative - the title is irrelevant, it is a great idea but again time and apathy could be the death of it.

  Admin2's last comment on this thread ... "it probably won't see the light of day".  So you're probably right ... nothing will get done by WGT with regards to a handicap system (or most of the other issues for that matter).

  alanti:

  Regardless, CC Owners NEED better tools at their disposal. Country Clubs are the only thing that keep many players active, so effectively are increasing the income stream significantly for the company, yet CC's are one of the most ignored aspects from the company.

  Wait ... you didn't find the applause and ambient noises useful?  It did provide WGT's engineers with something to do for a few months ... write a routine to turn off the noise they added to the game!  And numbers instead of dots ... next, look for a number rating on the courses!

  Sadly, I agree with you ... Admin2 jumped in like gang-busters ... now he doesn't comment at all.  At least he's taken the heat off Icon and Dblshoe.

  That will probably be WGT's solution ... bring in new moderators and have them promise the stars ... and once they get enough egg on their face, they will learn like us that nothing is going to get fixed ... so other than a paycheck and "their play nice" comments, they get left holding the "broken promise" bag.

  Sorry Admin2 ... I know you are just trying to do your job ... it's just your job is like a really bad golf swing ... it has lots of promise in the backswing, it just lacks a good swing and follow-through.

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 3:57 PM

  DaddysKat:

  Sadly, I agree with you ... Admin2 jumped in like gang-busters ... now he doesn't comment at all.  At least he's taken the heat off Icon and Dblshoe.

  That will probably be WGT's solution ... bring in new moderators and have them promise the stars ... and once they get enough egg on their face, they will learn like us that nothing is going to get fixed ... so other than a paycheck and "their play nice" comments, they get left holding the "broken promise" bag.

  Sorry Admin2 ... I know you are just trying to do your job ... it's just your job is like a really bad golf swing ... it has lots of promise in the backswing, it just lacks a good swing and follow-through.

  +10!

  Nothing personal but apparently they play their role - unfortunately we read their faces easier every time (the lack of preparation don't help them).

  My four thread bumps of today are a test, and only Icon passes it (with a repeat answer though). There's about four more to come tomorrow - threads opened by me and unanswered. What about a bet how many substantial answers will come from the other mods within a day?

  My dare for Kat and Alan is, not more than two until 0.00 GMT Thursday. A sleeve of the winner's choice, o.k.? Will any of you bet on 3 out of 8 - before they arrive?

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 6:18 PM

  alosso:

  My dare for Kat and Alan is, not more than two until 0.00 GMT Thursday. A sleeve of the winner's choice, o.k.? Will any of you bet on 3 out of 8 - before they arrive?

  Nope ... how about less than 2?  Sounds like a better bet to me (and double post by mods don't count).

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Mon, Jun 30 2014 11:17 PM

  DaddysKat:

  Sadly, I agree with you

  Ahh, there is that apologetic "sadly" again!

  As you correctly point out, we have seen some stunning, in fact - game-changing improvements with the ambient noises that seem to please only the Gearhyists and the number system showing that some courses are easier or harder to play - perhaps this number system also takes into account the likehood of finishing the game in multiplayer mode as the platform crashes. That certainly makes finishing a game hard.

  But I will praise them for Pinehurst and the introduction of brackets - these once the bugs were worked out, were good improvements (I will not mention that testing the product before the release would have isolated the bugs). An analogy would be Boeing designing a jet, never actually testing the airworthiness and allowing it to go into production.

  And without anyone asking they introduced champ greens for CC play - well not many requests.

  I have come to expect little, no, I expect nothing from WGT or the mods. They do a job which is not a job I would like, especially if you work for a regime where you are not allowed to comment on behalf of the company. The game is what it is - but it is a pity that the company does not have the vision that could put this game at a totally new level. It is nearly as if Chad and Co have run out of steam, or perhaps that is because the drive for money has come at the expense of quality and the total lack of customer service.

  As for Alosso - unless it is a "clear your cache" or "this is the first we have heard of this" or "please email customer non-service" I will pick 1 - if you really want a resolution it will be zero, zip, nada.......................

• fancygirl4u 91 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 7:06 AM

  I agree and also while your at it would kind enough ti tell WGT to let me play the game with all the normal things but not the VEM. Also would you get then to unlock the settings on the start a game window so that I can set up what i want on a game. I quit this game for 2 weeks because of all the wrong shots i was getting and came back to find that nothing has changed. So would like some consideration to these matters.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 7:26 AM

  fancygirl4u:

  Also would you get then to unlock the settings on the start a game window so that I can set up what i want on a game

  They're unlocked in Practice mode.

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 8:36 AM

  alanti:

  As for Alosso - unless it is a "clear your cache" or "this is the first we have heard of this" or "please email customer non-service" I will pick 1 - if you really want a resolution it will be zero, zip, nada...

  O.k., all is set and published, some knight has immediately started the defense ;)

  I want a reasonable answer, not a resolution.

  "Schau'mer mal" as the famous former soccer player Franz Beckenbauer said in Bavarian ... (= we'll see...)

• WGTadmin2 1,152 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 10:41 AM

  Wow you are really a tough group.  There is no response from me on this tread because you are discussing how a handicapping system should work and I really have no input. Yes a universal WGT would be nice, but like all features some people will hate it.  So we are just reading and learning as you discuss the merits.

   

  I know we are working on a few solutions but not sure if it will get done.

   

   

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 11:17 AM

  You answered the questions - more than once - at the top of this thread - nothing wrong here.

  And be assured that all comments go to your role, your job, not the person. We also know that your employer dictates your answers.

  And, we're a bunch of gals and guys who like to put some pepper on it sometimes.

  Cheers!

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 1:10 PM

  WGTadmin2:

  There is no response from me on this tread because you are discussing how a handicapping system should work and I really have no input. Yes a universal WGT would be nice, but like all features some people will hate it.  So we are just reading and learning as you discuss the merits.

  So, since you're actually reading the threads and weighing the merits, let me give you a real-life example why a handicap system is a good thing.

  In real life, I began teaching a 12 year old girl the game of golf from the ground up.  She has been playing now for six months, and looking back, is easily a better golfer than I was after six months of lessons and game play.

  I went out with her this last weekend ... I played scratch and she played with a set handicap of 18 (because she has only played real golf 3 times, but has an extremely good game).

  The outcome ... I shot a + 6 - 78 from the white tees.  She shot a +20 - 92 from the reds.

  On the gross, I clearly won by 14 strokes ... but on the net, she won.  She's still talking about it ... 3 games out and beat a scratch golfer.

  So ... for your newbies ... if they play a legend straight up, like Aly, they don't stand a chance ... but give them a handicap and the game becomes competitive for both the Legend and the Hack golfer.

  Obviously, a handicap system has merits, and will add a more competitive nature to the game.  The only decision WGT needs to make is what's the best possible handicapping system available for this game and then write the code.