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A question for WGTadmin2

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Thu, Jun 19 2014 10:42 PM

  The "sadly's" in the case of WGT - nearly apologetic on behalf of the company, frustration because we know that things will not change and the realisation that rather than things improving, it will in reality, just get worse.

  Kat do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your post? Or are you really mocking the programers for the game changing improvements, like the sounds, notebooks and awesome rewards that make everyone strive to attain the next tier?

  In the past I have really loved this game, promoted it but not only have bugs and issues compounded, the company simply does not listen.

  Problems of multi accounters fleecing the unsuspecting has never been addressed and communication has been next to nothing.

  Now we have Mods springing up like mushrooms asking what do we want? Well I am a sceptic, seen it all before and if history repeats, the Mods will soon fade away and WGT will continue with their own agenda.

  Sadly.............this is WGT.

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Thu, Jun 19 2014 11:38 PM

  alanti:

  Kat do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your post? Or are you really mocking the programers for the game changing improvements, like the sounds, notebooks and awesome rewards that make everyone strive to attain the next tier?

  Me ... facetious?  Noooooo!  I really am looking forward to being able to buy 1/2 a sleeve of golf balls with the advancement to tour legend ... and the notebook ... it's one of the reason's I hit into the deep rough at St. A's ... if you crumple the virtual paper enough, it serves as some really nice avatar wipe!  

  In all honesty, I am grateful for the ability to turn off the lessons now, and the sounds too!  Those are simply wonderful enhancements!  Now if I could just get the lead out when I go to change the wrong club that WGT caddie gave to me.  Oh ... is that really what a putter is used for David?  I keep thinking it's a training aide for the stupid caddie (by using it to knock some sense into him)!  You are just sooooo helpful, David!  Thank you for that reminder (for the 1500th time!)  

  (BTW ... I know you can turn him off ... every time you play ... how about a check box like the lessons?)

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Fri, Jun 20 2014 12:37 AM

  DaddysKat:

  goofy "dot rating" they have on their courses and give us something we can work with.

  The dot rating is as good as a chocolate teapot that you actually want a brew from.

  DaddysKat:

  to have some form of a handicap for the less advanced player

  V tough one as I see it as so many variables.  The levels system, and different player aspirations means that one "pro" may play with tremendously differing equipment to another.  The only meaningful way of making a handicap is per person per course recent history.  WGT it seems have little interest in going to a per course average, and so it remains in the domain of a CC to work out what is fair.  

  From a business perspective I do not see WGT changing tiering up at the lower levels, but I wish they would do something higher up.  Threads on that elsewhere.

  For CCs a per course record could be used to automatically set an average person.  For the BoF fanatic playing a CC tourney at CCC nothing would exist, and so up to the CC owner to edit that as needed.  I appreciate I am short of covering all permutation's off, but a good general idea.  If I thought anything might happen I meant spend longer developing my thought's for those that want handicaps, but I do not expect anything to happen(:

   

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Fri, Jun 20 2014 1:38 AM

  Jimbog1964:

  V tough one as I see it as so many variables.  The levels system, and different player aspirations means that one "pro" may play with tremendously differing equipment to another.  The only meaningful way of making a handicap is per person per course recent history.  

  Yes, it's difficult ... but there are so many great handicap systems that WGT can use to model their system to.  The two I have studied the most are the new GA system that Australia adopted this year and the USGA handicap system.  Both would work here.  WGT has models ... all they need to do is (1) open the manual and (2) read.  Quit using them as a coaster!

  As for different tiers and different equipment ... if you're playing with starter equipment, you're not going to play as well as that level 98 Tour Pro with the best equipment, so you'll have a higher handicap (based on your last 20 scores).  Win a tourney or a few RG;s, track tourneys like the handicap systems do and adjust the player's handicap accordingly.  Give the owner the ability to modify a player's handicap if necessary.  Provide them with guidelines they can follow.  It's all laid out for WGT ... just do the legwork ... check out the other systems and use those systems as a pattern.  

  Just look at the variables already programmed into this game, different balls, different equipment, different spin produces a different shot.  So, when you look at the complexity of this game, it looks to me like a handicap system would be a piece of cake.  

  Jimbog1964:

  I appreciate I am short of covering all permutation's off, but a good general idea.  If I thought anything might happen I meant spend longer developing my thought's for those that want handicaps, but I do not expect anything to happen(:

  Sadly, I tend to agree with you James.  Once again I'll find myself working out a system that will be extremely difficult because WGT won't put forth the effort or energy to make their system better ... instead, they choose to give us bird sounds and airplanes, then give us the ability to turn them off.  Nice!  And the alternative to no handicaps ... discuss starting a new "super tier" where you can throw all the RG winners in.  Put a handicap system together and you wouldn't need to do that.

• WGTadmin2 1,152 Posts

  Fri, Jun 20 2014 9:35 AM

  The star rating for the courses is just a crude visual way for beginners to understand what courses are easier to play. 

   

  As for a true handicapping and slope rating, we have some thoughts on the list to help better group people in tiers and better match make

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Fri, Jun 20 2014 12:04 PM

  WGTadmin2:

  As for a true handicapping and slope rating, we have some thoughts on the list to help better group people in tiers and better match make

  How about a pro or master vs. tour legend?  What's the thought on that?  A true programmer/developer would figure out a method to where it CAN be done.  Yeah, it will be hard, but that's no excuse.  If systems were easy, everyone would develop them!

  From what I'm surmising, it sounds like CC's are back in the dark with these "thoughts" ... there wasn't any indication that WGT is considering a method to where the CC members all have a chance to compete with each other, unless, of course, the owner develops his or her own system.

  I'm more about fair ... a system that will put anyone vs. anyone regardless of their playing ability is fair.  If your score plus or minus your handicap gives you the best score, you win.  .  

  It sounds like the "thoughts" that are being discussed are more about RG and WGT stroke-play tourneys and nothing to do with the CC's ...and not even considering how to handle a CC vs CC event.

  Maybe I can steer you in the right direction, while you and the others discussing what to do to make the game competitively fair to everyone.  .

  you can obtain the USGA Handicap manual free, by going here ... (Click)

  and Golf Australia's new handicap manual can be downloaded here  (Click)  (Even though I'm from the US, Golf Australia's new system really breaks new ground and looks like it would be best suited for this game).

  While you're all having your thoughts, peruse these!  

  Don't just think about your WGT monthly tourneys and your RG's ... give some consideration to your CC's. and their members  

• WGTadmin2 1,152 Posts

  Sat, Jun 21 2014 9:48 AM

  Correct a true handicapping system would allow any tier to evenly play any other tier.  But first we have to put people in the right tier/handicap

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Sat, Jun 21 2014 1:07 PM

  Since I won't hold my breath on WGT coming up with a handicap system, maybe you could provide me (us) with a list of the closed 18 hole single play and unlimted play tourneys.

  If I could get a couple on each course, I can do my own slope/course ratings.  It sure would help my current handicap system.

• MartyFlanagan 2,488 Posts

  Sun, Jun 22 2014 12:32 AM

  WGTadmin2:

  Chambers bay for the 2015 US Open is a Links-style course but I know it is not the same...

  i had a look at chambers bay, it looks good, it does have a links-style which will be nice to have on wgt

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Sun, Jun 22 2014 3:11 AM

  WGTadmin2:

  Correct a true handicapping system would allow any tier to evenly play any other tier.  But first we have to put people in the right tier/handicap

  So are you saying all tiers will be revisted (as it appears it is on the WGT agenda to add another tier) and if so, will equipment be restricted to the designated tier?

  So a question to you Admin2 - as you ARE saying that people will be put into their right tier - why did you bother asking the community on their thoughts?

  Kat, DO NOT hold your breath!