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A question for WGTadmin2

• hpurey 11,505 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 1:35 PM

  I think a handicap system would be great, but not seeing how WGT could implement such a system that wouldn't get beaten up by the sandbaggers.  It's bad enough with the tiering system with baggers.

  I like the idea of green speeds being the same across the board, but different from round to round, not just set on the highest tier in the group.  Also, tee boxes set by the longest driver in your inventory, not just your equipped clubs.

  Or....just keep it like it is, I'm fine with whatever,  I'm hitting yellow Callaways now. :)

• 9,041 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 1:38 PM

  WGTadmin2:

  Just send a note to the course general manager and tell them there is a great golf game out there with millions of golfers and they should have their course featured next to the top courses in the world.

  Offered to do that...in person ! 18 months ago for the 2 South Coast Spanish clubs I'm a member of and friends who know ppl in other clubs slightly higher up the food chain than the General Manager ...

  OK they are not clubs that need the publicity, but neither are the ones you already have here on WGT.

  Think I mentioned I'd be looking for a generous commission, so maybe that is why I was met with......

  A stunning silence ! :)))

  USA USA !...siempre it seems ?

  Andy

   

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 2:11 PM

  DaddysKat:

  give them a handicap and the game becomes competitive for both the Legend and the Hack golfer.

  Obviously, a handicap system has merits, and will add a more competitive nature to the game.

  I agree - mostly for the limited numbers and tierless competition in the CCs. I know well that only a handful can win (not including me), and some ambitious and eager TPs and such never have a chance.

  OTOH, I don't want to bother with leaderboards and calculations on each tourney, and you cannot (easily) hold a prize pool in the CC.

  A WGT-wide system would be perfect.

  An easy way (albeit with external calculations) would be to take the respective threshold as a CR and thus calculate a differential score. E.g. a Legend score of 65 would be +4 (65-61), a Pro score of 76 would be -4 (76-80).

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Tue, Jul 1 2014 8:08 PM

  alosso:

  An easy way (albeit with external calculations) would be to take the respective threshold as a CR and thus calculate a differential score. E.g. a Legend score of 65 would be +4 (65-61), a Pro score of 76 would be -4 (76-80).

  You know me, Alosso, I never do anything easy.  We are doing CR and SL to determine differentials ... then take the lowest differentials to come up with a player's handicap.  We update our handicap indexes on the 1st and 15th, and on tourneys that are "net", we calculate the course handicap based on the slope rating.

  We just put this system in place, so I can't tell you how well it works.  We are only using our CC's major tourneys to obtain scores for handicap purposes.  I know it would be better if we did every stroke play game, it's just too time consuming going through every members scoring history to obtain this scoring history.

  Maybe WGT will do something like this ... course and slope ratings, player handicap indexes and handicapped tourneys ... I'm just a bit too impatient to wait for them ... they are slower than the 2nd coming of Christ.

• Johniedino 786 Posts

  Mon, Jul 7 2014 1:17 AM

  I read ur post and I said that it would be another way for wgt to make money...seeing as how they ding us for any thing they can...surprised they haven't whacked us for the tees ffs...You should practice what you preach and read the post...

  Priesum:

  Johniedino:

  I'm not either O/R but that's just another way for wgt to get more money...union dues ffs...wake up peeps...it's like paying something for nothing....which is the way it is here now...

  never heard of such a idiotic idea in my life....just saying...

  Who said anything about dues? This is not a WGT initiative but an idea by me, an ex CC owner, to try to make life easier for CC owners.

  The idea is to get CC owners/Representatives together to work on a unified handicap formula as WGT do not seem to pay too much attention to the issue.

  Of course other issues may be discussed as well.

  Suggest you read the posts and try to understand the topic being discussed before you make "idiotic" comments...  Just saying

   

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Mon, Jul 7 2014 9:07 AM

  Johniedino:

  .You should practice what you preach and read the post...

  Since Kelly quoted you, and since I also read your post, you said putting a committee together to discuss a universal handicap method together was a way for WGT to make money.

  While I agree WGT does charge quite a bit for better equipment, you totally missed the mark with your interpretation of what Kelly first proposed.  The key topic from her was the universal handicap committee ... something we could use to give the lower tier players a way to compete with the Legends and Tour Legends in CC events.  

  Nothing was even mentioned about dues ... that's something you presented, then said "never heard of such an idiotic idea in my life" ... to which I concur ... your idea of charging dues to discuss handicaps is an extremely stupid idea.

  So let me ask you a question ... does your CC have some form of handicap system in place, or are all of your CC events played gross?

   

   

• MichaelStroke 2,066 Posts

  Mon, Jul 7 2014 9:24 AM

  Why would you want to make a way where hacks can compete with legends?  For all the talk about "realism" here, that's beyond unrealistic.  I suppose that it's possible for me to be Tiger Woods in a real golf match if he was only allowed to use a household broom for a driver, but there's no real purpose in bragging about a win like that.

  They already have tee advantages.  That's fine.  If you want a game where a nobody can beat a legend, I can refer you to any number of online poker sites.

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Mon, Jul 7 2014 9:45 AM

  MichaelStroke:

  For all the talk about "realism" here, that's beyond unrealistic. 

  I guess you never competed in a real life net golf tourney, Michael.  Adjusted Gross - handicap.  That's why the EGA, GA and USGA have course and slope ratings on rated golf courses ... to make the game fair for everyone, regardless of their level.

  I also play Nassau ... and have given up 2 strokes on the #1 and #2 handicap holes several times.Win some, lose some.

  But you probably wouldn't know about that, since golf in real life is setup to where anyone of any level can compete with anyone, including professionals.

  The downside to playing with beginners IRL ... spending a good 30 minutes a round looking for a lost ball!  The + bogey golfers ... they complain about lower handicapped golfers taking too long to take their shots.

  MichaelStroke:

  If you want a game where a nobody can beat a legend

  I never said "where nobody can beat a legend".  What are you afraid of ... having to give up 10 strokes to a player that averages 70 points a game?

• MichaelStroke 2,066 Posts

  Mon, Jul 7 2014 10:19 AM

  DaddysKat:

  MichaelStroke:

  For all the talk about "realism" here, that's beyond unrealistic. 

  I guess you never competed in a real life net golf tourney, Michael.  Adjusted Gross - handicap.  That's why the EGA, GA and USGA have course and slope ratings on rated golf courses ... to make the game fair for everyone, regardless of their level.

  I also play Nassau ... and have given up 2 strokes on the #1 and #2 handicap holes several times.Win some, lose some.

  But you probably wouldn't know about that, since golf in real life is setup to where anyone of any level can compete with anyone, including professionals.

  The downside to playing with beginners IRL ... spending a good 30 minutes a round looking for a lost ball!  The + bogey golfers ... they complain about lower handicapped golfers taking too long to take their shots.

  MichaelStroke:

  If you want a game where a nobody can beat a legend

  I never said "where nobody can beat a legend".  What are you afraid of ... having to give up 10 strokes to a player that averages 70 points a game?

  I don't play much real tournament golf, I guess - only an occasional round with friends and co-workers.  The only sport I've ever played where handicapping is considered that mundane is bowling.

  When a hack plays a legend, he should see it as a chance to learn from a seasoned player.  Imparting knowledge, picking up tips, learning WGT nuances.  I shouldn't be able to sit across from Phil Hellmuth with my 8-2 suited and bluff him out of his pot because I was able to sit at a table with a million chips, while he could only have a thousand.  Hardly sporting.

  Also, I thoroughly enjoy it when people judge by average.  It means that what I do is working.

• duffer19 3,670 Posts

  Mon, Jul 7 2014 1:44 PM

  handicapping is good, esp in a cc setting - who wants club games where folks don't bother participating in games cuz they have no shot?  only so long the thrill of 'learning' is overcome by the agony of repeated 'defeat' 

  i'll throw out a random # here - the heavily handicapped would still win 70% of the time - isn't that enough to keep them happy too :)