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What is one supposed to do when accused of cheating?

Tue, Apr 12 2016 2:44 PM (55 replies)
  • fatdan
    3,379 Posts
    Mon, Aug 25 2014 5:13 PM

    alanti:

    In fact most people say I should start cheatin lol.

    Hmmmmm, that might explain why folks keep sending me links to free CE and the other cheats...LOL I thought they valued my opinion dmn'it...

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Mon, Aug 25 2014 6:08 PM

    fatdan:
    hey, he had a bad day, maybe they just raised his pad rent at the trailer park! His wife finally had enough and left, or even worse, Mom and Dad might have told him he can still live in the basement but he has to get a job and pay rent!!! What the he!!, do you know how hard it is to get a job now days if ya spell "wacker" "waker"....

    LOL.  Very possibly  just that simple.

    fatdan:
    Give him a heartfelt "thank you" for recognizing you are much better than most legends and drop it...why care what anyone thinks who plays worse than you do....

    Yep and think what it might be like to walk in his shoes.  No toes left after finally managing to shoot the last one off out turkey hunting.

     

     

  • mkg335
    5,491 Posts
    Mon, Aug 25 2014 10:22 PM

    First, kudos to Jim for the Life of Brian ref...

    Second, "Just kidding, it's crucifixion for me, too."

    While we're at it, might as well throw in a line from another great Python film:

    "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.  Now go away before I'm forced to taunt you a second time!"

  • GolfingJMan
    71 Posts
    Mon, Aug 25 2014 10:45 PM

    Hello Corwyn,

    Corwyn:
    My dilemma is this… What should I do about it?

    I noticed you did not outrightly deny the "accusation."  Why not?  Perhaps it isn't easy to deny an accusation that is so ambiguous and I think reckless.  Who knows what s/he even means!

    What did the person mean by "cheat"?  Does the purported "accuser" mean you have used an auto-dinger software application?  Does the person mean you have committed some form of "sandbagging" or used a third-party shot/putter pal or something else related to the game?  Does s/he mean something else completely unrelated to this game (I know this is unlikely, but with such an unqualified usage of the term "cheat" I don't think one should quickly jump to the conclusion that the accuser is a "jelous[sic]" "lier[sic]" and an "illiterate" "fool" as some have already done)?

    Considering the circumstances, I think it is easy to suspect that the accuser is accusing you of using some sort of illegal software to score your latest lowest score of 53 (nice score, btw).  However, I think it would be imprudently reckless for me, or anyone else, to derisively mock the person without clear evidence as to what the person is saying.

    Corwyn:
    I use clubs well below my level

    Corwyn, I know you play with your PING G20 Iron Set (L83+) and not the R11 Iron Set (L90+) or other irons with a higher distance and spin rating.  Because of that, you probably haven't finished first in a lot of the events you have played, and therefore have not been promoted to Tour Legend.  In other words, if you decided to upgrade your equipment months ago, you just might have already been a Tour Legend.  Some may call your choice not to upgrade and consequently finish second multiple times, and thus not promote to Tour Legend "cheating."  

    (As discussed in another thread, one does not absolutely need 500 Ranked Rounds as a Legend to become a Tour Legend.  Some are promoted to Tour Legend partly because of finishing first in certain events.)

    One may intentionally shoot bad scores (or mediocre scores) with the best equipment, or one may shoot those same scores by choosing not to gain the best equipment.  In both instances the player is choosing not to score his/her best, the main difference is the method.

    Is that what the "accuser" was referring to?  I don't know.  I think anyone else who does not know, should withhold judgment—especially misjudgment.

    I personally do not see anything "illegal" (i.e., illegal according to WGT's official rules) with choosing to play with "clubs well below" your "level."  If I am incorrect, someone please correct me.

    Well, what to do?  You have already done something just by starting this thread and gaining advice, which I think is certainly better than thoughtlessly reciprocating.  

    It depends on a lot of factors: personal choice, experience, advice, etc.  I know this may run counter to some other legend's advice, and even though I have been vitriolically accused of cheating at length, my advice may be considered "amateur" in comparison, but perhaps you could reach out and try to have a discussion with the person to understand exactly what s/he is referring to with the usage of the word "cheat."  As I recall, that is what I did.  It did not stop the profusion of bitter messages at me, but at least I tried to extend an olive branch.

    Maybe s/he has been similarly accused of being a "cheat" in his/her past and therefore has a skewed understanding of exactly what "cheating" is in regards to illegality, especially if s/he is a pre-teen/teen.  Perhaps peace can be made.

    @the others who responded to this thread

    Corwyn:

    one doesn't always know nearly enough to make a judgment

    One can actually make a judgment without knowing all of the germane facts regarding a topic, but such a verdict may not be an accurate oneit may be a misjudgment.  I think those who are in that group of people who do not "know nearly enough" should refrain from doing exactly what they perceive the purported accuser of doing, reaching a verdict without adequate evidence.  In other words, it is my opinion that to judge the accuser, as some have already done, without even knowing what s/he is referring to is not admirable.

    mkg335:
    I've been accused of cheating by the same type of illiterate fool...not the same person, but the same type of low-life bottom feeder.

    Again, without understanding exactly what a person is referring to when the word "cheat" is used, I think it isn't easy to hastily reach a sound judgment.  Additionally, for all you do not know, the person may actually be the same, just with a different account especially if they actually are a low-life bottom feeder.
    alosso:
    To me, your "guest" is a lier[sic].

    I presume alosso's first language is not English, and so the error of saying "lier" instead of the correct spelling "liar" is understandable.  The person who posted on Corwyn's wall with the "accusation" may be ESL, no?

    Jimbog1964:
    LOL, if I may.  I DREAM of being so lucky to be called that, and would just stay silent on the fact it was just an illiterate fool that did it:)

    Jimbog1964:
    The OP has stats that says he could not blow a barn door off with with a sawn of[sic] 12 bore from 3 feet, and is jelous[sic] of a very good player.

    Reaching a verdict which mocks someone's misuage of a language as illiterate in a mean-spirited way while making a misspelling in the ill-advised verdict is, I think, very ironic.  (I know the difference between a typo and an error in grammar.)  We all were illiterate at one time, but thankfully some of us have matured and gained a greater degree of maturity and literacy.  However, we all still may have some maturing to do.  

    Thanks,
    JMan

    P.S. In this specific instance, I presume, jimbog1964, that your use of the abbreviation "OP" means "Original Poster."  The Original Poster of this thread is Corwyn.  But, I guess you're referring to the Original Poster in reference to the person who began all of this with the post on Corwyn's wall.  Perhaps you made a mistake, because your usage is not what I customarily see when people in these forums use the abbreviation "OP."

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Mon, Aug 25 2014 11:15 PM

    GolfingJMan:
    P.S. In this specific instance, I presume, jimbog1964, that your use of the abbreviation "OP" means "Original Poster."  The Original Poster of this thread is Corwyn.  But, I guess you're referring to the Original Poster in reference to the person who began all of this with the post on Corwyn's wall.  Perhaps you made a mistake, because your usage is not what I customarily see when people in these forums use the abbreviation "OP."

    Struth sport you got me on "jelous: whacking through through too quick.  At least I never spelt "the" as "teh" which is me normal trick.  Got me on "of" and second use of "OP" (latter most definitely and obviously aimed not at the actual OP).

    GolfingJMan:
    making a misspelling in the ill-advised verdict is, I think, very ironic.    

    Well done but just a forum cobber, not an English exam!  I realise I can bang mine out too quickly, not that I would excuse irriteracy mind:)

    GolfingJMan:
    (I know the difference between a typo and an error in grammar.)

     

     

  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Mon, Aug 25 2014 11:30 PM

    Oh my goodness JMan!

    Well, one thing I have rightfully been accused of many times is making posts that are too long to read... but it's possible that I'm not even in the frame on that one!

    Why haven't I declared that I'm not a cheat? To be honest, I don't think such an accusation is worth a response. That said, I don't believe I've cheated under any possible definition you could come up with (and you seem to have come up with quite a few).

    For the record, I play with G20s because I happen to believe they offer a more realistic gameplay while still being competitive. It's my goal to try and reach Tour Legend while still using them. So my club choice is a matter of preference. And, if you read any of my blog posts, I'm definitely not coming in 2nd place on purpose!

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    I want to add that the OWP (new suggested acronym for Original Wall Poster, lol) has deleted her/his offending Wall Posts, and posted an Apology, which I have accepted.

  • mkg335
    5,491 Posts
    Mon, Aug 25 2014 11:32 PM

    JMan, I think your intentions are good, but you just spent a lot of time and effort to say very little, I'm afraid.

    Here's your reply to me:

    "Again, without understanding exactly what a person is referring to when the word "cheat" is used, I think it isn't easy to hastily reach a sound judgment.  Additionally, for all you do not know, the person may actually be the same, just with a different account especially if they actually are a low-life bottom feeder."

    I don't need to get inside the accuser's mind to understand "exactly what a person is referring to."  There's no obligation on my part to show anything resembling empathy to such a person.  

    Then you say, "I think it isn't easy to hastily reach a sound judgment."  This isn't rocket surgery...in my case, an ahole smeared my name in public without cause or evidence, and lied repeatedly.  

    Finally, you went off on a bit of a tangent, saying "the person may actually be the same..."  Of course that's possible, but highly unlikely, and really has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

    Please don't be insulted, but your post comes off with a bit of a condescending air, and its tone carries the all-too-familiar sense of the lecturer who talks much but says little.

  • mkrizan86
    1,866 Posts
    Mon, Aug 25 2014 11:46 PM

    Jesus, Jman, i never realised (UK English) we have ex English teachers turned politicians playing this game as well.

    P.S.: And I really don't give an eff whether I spelled this correctly or not.

     

    @ Corwyn

    Good to see the culprit at least had the decency to apologize on your wall. Since you haven't commented on his wall, he either reads the main forums or someone else explained him the error of his ways. Although he might've checked the rest of your scoring and realised his mistake on his own? ;-)

    P.S.: Just kidding, CC mate, in by book you're good enough to be called a cheater all day long ;-)

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Tue, Aug 26 2014 12:26 AM
    I was named on the Deviations website as a cheat. As I spend most of time running my club and helping others I often wonder what I was cheating at. I hardly ever play for credits, not only because I don't get the time, but also I'm not a very good player.
  • fatdan
    3,379 Posts
    Tue, Aug 26 2014 1:54 AM

    GolfingJMan:

    (As discussed in another thread, one does not absolutely need 500 Ranked Rounds as a Legend to become a Tour Legend.  Some are promoted to Tour Legend partly because of finishing first in certain events.)

    Wrong, people who are promoted with less than 500 RR and a 60 avg. transferred their stats from a facebook account to a regular WGT...or their last name is Chang'

    Is that what the "accuser" was referring to?  I don't know.  I think anyone else who does not know, should withhold judgment—especially misjudgment.

    So if someone was aaaaa, lets say aaaaaa, well lets say someone was here for 1 year, and aaaa, lets say a lvl 94 amateur who won 2thirds of their matches and had a boat load of Diamond and Crystal awards for tournaments at amateur level, but a very high average and poor stats, I would be wrong calling them a cheater? OK, I'm cool with that, but is it ok to call them a "sand bagger"?


    I have been vitriolically accused of cheating at length,

    Really! that's surprising!

    reaching a verdict without adequate evidence.  In other words, it is my opinion that to judge the accuser, as some have blah blah blah

    Considering the offender isn't a regular on the forum, all those who responded have been here and seen this type of cr@p 100's if not a 1000 times before, perhaps it is you jumping to conclusions....is it possible they are just having a little fun among themselves due to the offenders absence? It is a moot thread anyway, the guy/gal apologized which makes him OK in my book, as I said s/he probably just had a bad day...my posts will be deleted

    Reaching a verdict which mocks someone's misuage misusage of a language as illiterate in a mean-spirited way while making a misspelling in the ill-advised verdict is, I think, very ironic.  I agree,/\ /\ /\

     

    P.S. In this specific instance, I presume, jimbog1964, that your use of the abbreviation "OP" means "Original Poster."  The Original Poster of this thread is Corwyn.  But, I guess you're referring to the Original Poster in reference to the person who began all of this with the post on Corwyn's wall.  Perhaps you made a mistake, because your usage is not what I customarily see when people in these forums use the abbreviation "OP."

    OP = "original poster", "other person"

     

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