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*** More Realistic Rough Conditions ***

• oneeyedjohn 9,581 Posts

  Wed, Feb 4 2015 11:08 AM

  stevietwotimes:

  PaulTon:

  This is going to have more pages than the last word thread.

  23 pages and counting :)

  ....and all for just a little tweak to how rough plays. 

  I am sure Shoe & Icon are laughing their socks off.

   

  Here's a replay of a shot from a curly 30-40% rough, 23 yards away, slight crosswind. Normally a full BS pitch would land and stop on the second bounce, but here the ball runs out a bit more, which I anticipated quite well.

  I hit the full power 25 yard pitch with the cleve 64º

  So what's the problem.

• mnshiner 1,382 Posts

  Wed, Feb 4 2015 12:04 PM

  Question for Icon? Are you going to edit your tips from long ago or are the new players going to get the wrong info about these shots when searching for help.

• MatildaIgaly 1,822 Posts

  Wed, Feb 4 2015 11:28 PM

  TarheelsRule:

  The comments in this thread show exactly the problems that WGT has with any change that they make.    I'm all for making it more difficult, I saw a number of comments about flopping out of 40/50% rough from 15 yards and stiffing it.     Well the issue is that you should not be able to do that, from a deep lie like that even the pros are happy with 10 feet or more, on WGT we are not happy if we miss that shot by more than 3 feet.

  I would love to see the game play get back to where it was before the new balls and clubs destroyed par.    It would be nice to see scores in the low to mid 60's win tournaments not 55 or less.

  I don't understand the desire to get your average to 55 or less, the numbers mean nothing especially when you reach the point where only your good scores count.   I'd be for a rolling 100 round average instead of a slowly moving down number.

  It needs to be tougher, rough should be more penal.   Sand should be a difficult shot when you land in it.   Putting from 12 feet shouldn't be a slam dunk.

  I guess I'm in the minority here but make it tougher.

  Agrees with all you wrote.

• WillyBigg 2,135 Posts

  Thu, Feb 5 2015 6:08 AM

  I don't think it was the right thing, to suddenly eliminate spin form the rough. We paid good money to have these wedges that wgt sold us as the best spin available.

  Why couldn't wgt remove all the balls with extra spin from the pro shop. Basically achieves the same result, but it would not make your customers feel ripped off.

  Not liking the inconsistency of what should be simple pitches & chips from mild rough. IRL, these are easy shots, IMO.

  I guess wgt was pulling our leg again, when asking for opinions. Plenty of thumbs down for this change, but never even a expression from wgt informing us what's going on. Are they still adjusting? Are they messing with other physics within the game at the same time?

  We need more open explanations from wgt, tell us exactly what you've changed & if you're finished fine tuning said changes.

  Announcing a change so drastic & then leaving it to your customers to suffer the consequences with no further information is not acceptable.

• IRISHPUNK 4,019 Posts

  Thu, Feb 5 2015 6:50 AM

  oneeyedjohn:

  stevietwotimes:

  PaulTon:

  This is going to have more pages than the last word thread.

  23 pages and counting :)

  ....and all for just a little tweak to how rough plays. 

  I am sure Shoe & Icon are laughing their socks off.

   

  Here's a replay of a shot from a curly 30-40% rough, 23 yards away, slight crosswind. Normally a full BS pitch would land and stop on the second bounce, but here the ball runs out a bit more, which I anticipated quite well.

  I hit the full power 25 yard pitch with the cleve 64º

  So what's the problem.

  Exactly... Take a yard off of 20-25, 1.5-2 yards off 30-40 and maybe 3.5 off of 40-50 and see how it goes from there.  All the time used here whining could have been used figuring this out. 

• pearljammmmer 4,268 Posts

  Thu, Feb 5 2015 8:31 AM

  I agree 100% with what TarsheelsRule said as well. If the site is adjusting conditions to try to better approximate real golf, what's wrong with that? Shots from the 2nd cut of rough SHOULD NOT stop on a dime...and that's supposed to be U.S. Open rough don't forget. And a player shouldn't be able to expect the exact same result from the rough every time either...you're not catching the ball cleanly.

  Enough with the conspiracy theories that WGT is doing this to sell more balls, clubs or whatever. Adjust and adapt.

  Hopefully the site will make other changes as well...like hitting out of bunkers, both fairway and greenside, as so many of you have already said. And maybe they could incorporate an option on where to take a drop after hitting into water, rather than the places they leave you in now.

• phiber 2,795 Posts

  Thu, Feb 5 2015 9:58 AM

  pearljammmmer:

  I agree 100% with what TarsheelsRule said as well. If the site is adjusting conditions to try to better approximate real golf, what's wrong with that? Shots from the 2nd cut of rough SHOULD NOT stop on a dime...and that's supposed to be U.S. Open rough don't forget. And a player shouldn't be able to expect the exact same result from the rough every time either...you're not catching the ball cleanly.

  Enough with the conspiracy theories that WGT is doing this to sell more balls, clubs or whatever. Adjust and adapt.

  Hopefully the site will make other changes as well...like hitting out of bunkers, both fairway and greenside, as so many of you have already said. And maybe they could incorporate an option on where to take a drop after hitting into water, rather than the places they leave you in now.

  I am not convinced that this was done to enhance realism.  If it is then way do we have 4 new green speeds, 2 (if not more) of which are no where near realistic on any course IRL.

  Granted...balls hit out of the rough should not stop on a dime and render 9 cents change, certainly not realistic.  But also, I don't remember ever seeing a touring PGA pro that shot a 54 on Merion..

  Will the change sell more virtual balls?  Of course it will initially.  People will be out practicing the changes to get their game back and ball hits are ball hits, practice or otherwise.

  I do however think that WGT could go about their transitions a bit differently when they do make changes like this.  They know it will upset the community for the most part so why not do a few things that could help remedy that.  They didn't program these changes overnight I am sure.  It took some work.  If it were my company, I would have started preparing the community for it long, long before the release date.  Of course, you would still have people that will resist even then, but that is human nature.  Most people do not like change.

  Too, I would incorporate a few things that the community asks for repeatedly at the same time as I made the change.  

  Right now, at WGT it's all about the money.  A little change to where it is about the people as well would go a long way in relations. 

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Feb 5 2015 10:28 AM

  phiber:

  I am not convinced that this was done to enhance realism.

  I agree and wish they had done it a long time ago. I wonder now why they took so long.

  phiber:

   They didn't program these changes overnight I am sure.  It took some work.

  I doubt it took much work. All they had to do was change whatever factor they were using for the rough shots. 

• deputydog65 482 Posts

  Thu, Feb 5 2015 3:56 PM

  Yea you can say that all the whining about the New Rough is useless and it could be spent on playing more to figure it out, but what I cant figure out is why you refuse to fix the meter issues that arent everyone elses trouble. Such as aiming for the wind hitting the ding and the ball heads straight off the club and follows the wind like you never aimed. This is a WGT issue why not fix this to make everyone happy not just the NEW. We all learned to deal with the rough and over time we can deal with the New but you cant plan when will the ball go where I aim. I think we all spend enough for WGT to deal with this issue or you can say by not fixing it WE DONT MATTER.