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Mon, May 18 2015 5:11 AM (306 replies)
  • 1yes1no
    223 Posts
    Thu, Feb 5 2015 5:11 PM

    TarheelsRule:
    would love to see the game play get back to where it was before the new balls and clubs destroyed par.    It would be nice to see scores in the low to mid 60's win tournaments not 55 or less.

    Pretty easy for a Tour Legend to say AFTER most of us have been "buying" clubs that were supposed to have more stable characteristics, but which WGT in it's eternal search for dollars has now rendered variable by their changes.  By doing such things, I think they continually wander very close to crossing the line into unfair and deceptive business practices.  It is a shame because for an online golf game it has been reasonable up until they started messing with club results.  My Clevelands that had nice spin do not spin as well now and I feel that it is unfair since I no longer get what I paid for.

     

     

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Thu, Feb 5 2015 6:03 PM

    1yes1no:

    TarheelsRule:
    would love to see the game play get back to where it was before the new balls and clubs destroyed par.    It would be nice to see scores in the low to mid 60's win tournaments not 55 or less.

    Pretty easy for a Tour Legend to say AFTER most of us have been "buying" clubs that were supposed to have more stable characteristics, but which WGT in it's eternal search for dollars has now rendered variable by their changes.  By doing such things, I think they continually wander very close to crossing the line into unfair and deceptive business practices.  It is a shame because for an online golf game it has been reasonable up until they started messing with club results.  My Clevelands that had nice spin do not spin as well now and I feel that it is unfair since I no longer get what I paid for.

    If playing out of the rough is suddenly such a change, concentrate and practice not hitting it in the rough.  The top players will see no change as they just don't hit it in the rough anyway.

    I admit I was wrong about this little change. I said when it happened the tears would dry after a week. Seems it's taking a little longer but we'll get there.

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Thu, Feb 5 2015 7:20 PM

    How much would they dare  ? 

    RORY MCILROY DEBUTS THE NEW NIKE GOLF ENGAGE WEDGES

    “To me, they perform really well from the rough around the greens,” McIlroy said. “The ball seems to consistently get up easier and land softer.”

    Hmmmmmmm just imagine  

  • IRISHPUNK
    4,019 Posts
    Thu, Feb 5 2015 8:15 PM

    Jimbog1964:

    How much would they dare  ? 

    RORY MCILROY DEBUTS THE NEW NIKE GOLF ENGAGE WEDGES

    “To me, they perform really well from the rough around the greens,” McIlroy said. “The ball seems to consistently get up easier and land softer.”

    Hmmmmmmm just imagine  

    After taking notes for a week, my numbers are butter.  I wouldn't pay a red cent for another set of wedges.

  • 1yes1no
    223 Posts
    Thu, Feb 5 2015 8:37 PM

    CerinoDevoti:

    If playing out of the rough is suddenly such a change, concentrate and practice not hitting it in the rough.  The top players will see no change as they just don't hit it in the rough anyway.

    I admit I was wrong about this little change. I said when it happened the tears would dry after a week. Seems it's taking a little longer but we'll get there.

    I'm not perfect driving, but have been fair enough, but WGT has even changed the deviation for missing the ding so even that is a move against players like me who have bought drivers based on the clubs published performance.  I understand there will always be "yes" men who will defend the company line.  They are a dime a dozen on the open market.  A guy who will speak the hard truth, now that is something a little less common, though not as pleasing to the status quo.

    I sell you a beautiful Degas painting.  At some point a while later I decide there should have been a different color on one section of the painting.  In the middle of the night I post a note on your door vaguely saying I'm making a change to make the painting better, slip into your house, and change the painting which you bought.  You now do not have the original painting, the painting now is a hideous version of its former glory, and some are calling it "wonderful" because, of course, there is always someone who likes a Piccaso when he could have had a Degas.

    Im not a Piccaso or Degas, but would like to paint a few good rounds on the course.

  • OopsieMcDuff
    22 Posts
    Thu, Feb 5 2015 9:54 PM

    1yes1no:

    CerinoDevoti:

    If playing out of the rough is suddenly such a change, concentrate and practice not hitting it in the rough.  The top players will see no change as they just don't hit it in the rough anyway.

    I admit I was wrong about this little change. I said when it happened the tears would dry after a week. Seems it's taking a little longer but we'll get there.

    I'm not perfect driving, but have been fair enough, but WGT has even changed the deviation for missing the ding so even that is a move against players like me who have bought drivers based on the clubs published performance.  I understand there will always be "yes" men who will defend the company line.  They are a dime a dozen on the open market.  A guy who will speak the hard truth, now that is something a little less common, though not as pleasing to the status quo.

    I sell you a beautiful Degas painting.  At some point a while later I decide there should have been a different color on one section of the painting.  In the middle of the night I post a note on your door vaguely saying I'm making a change to make the painting better, slip into your house, and change the painting which you bought.  You now do not have the original painting, the painting now is a hideous version of its former glory, and some are calling it "wonderful" because, of course, there is always someone who likes a Piccaso when he could have had a Degas.

    Such seems to be the ongoing pattern here.

    PS:  Im no Piccaso either.

    You know, I am the first to agree and complain about the inconsistency and downright goofy decisions WGT makes, BUT, your example in this case, while sounding good, actually is apples to oranges. To correct it:

    You are never selling a Degas to Cerino, you are licensing the right to Cerino to hang it n his wall, almost like letting him rent it. You still own it, and as such, have the right to change it in whatever way you see fit at any time (thats in the little fine print we all ignore). Especially because its not even really a Degas yet, but more like a Degas beta... an almost-Degas.

    Cerino however is under no obligation to like the alterations you make to the painting (also in the fine print), and further, has no obligation to continue the licensing agreement, and can therefore terminate it  at any time he wishes by returning the painting to you. 

    SO basically, all you, and by example WGT, have done is screw up a perfectly good Degas, and potentially lost (whoever doesn't like the change) a customer or client.

    Yeah changing stuff sucks, and shouldn't be done willy-nilly, but if WGT isn't smart enough to listen to community suggestions, or continues making changes that p!ss people off, they will lose customers. But its their game, not ours, and therefore their right. Those opposed can head elsewhere.

    PS -  as long as the change is consistent I actually think the rough change is a good thing, as no wedge in real golf behaves like the clevelands did in game.

  • PaulTon
    10,731 Posts
    Fri, Feb 6 2015 1:53 AM

    1yes1no:
    WGT has even changed the deviation for missing the ding

    Says who?

    Sounds like you would rather invent conspiracy theories about the game rather than learning it.

    " There are none so blind as those who will not see"

    1yes1no:
    A guy who will speak the hard truth, now that is something a little less common, though not as pleasing to the status quo

    It's a burden but I do it gladly.

  • Fraenkel
    2,252 Posts
    Fri, Feb 6 2015 3:12 AM

    Agree with Paul.

    Those words sounds like someone had test the game before this fresh and new account. Talking about the status quo it's just like me searching for the Tour Legend Secrets as like Indiana did for his Graal or when I tried to face off Mr. Brown.

    I still and I will piss off ev'ryday against the day I registered here but I can't stop playin' it. Now pardon me but I have to buy 2 new sleeves of Nike just because the damn deviation even if it's been changed, awesome right even if I didn't get yet the G30's.

  • overtheedge
    5,885 Posts
    Fri, Feb 6 2015 3:15 AM

    1yes1no:
    By doing such things, I think they continually wander very close to crossing the line into unfair and deceptive business practices.  It is a shame because for an online golf game it has been reasonable up until they started messing with club results.

    I said this years ago just a little differently.

  • PaulTon
    10,731 Posts
    Fri, Feb 6 2015 5:35 AM

    Jimbog1964:

    About 3000 credits each is my guess.

     

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