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Sat, Sep 16 2017 8:25 PM (126 replies)
  • fmagnets
    3,640 Posts
    Sat, Jan 30 2016 6:25 PM

    jayw4862:

    The rules do state the earliest posted score is the winner of ties. There is no countback in brackets.

    Not true in my limited experience (I've only played 3!). But I lost one on countback having posted first. The bracket rules are:

    If two players post the same score in a match then the tie-breaker rules will be used to determine the winner of the match.

    In the event of a tie, the better scoring entrant between or among the tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest combined score for the final nine (9) holes of the Game. If any ties remain, the better scoring entrant between or among the remaining tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest combined score for the final six (6) holes for such Game. If any ties remain, the better scoring entrant between or among the remaining tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest combined score for the final three (3) holes for such Game. If any ties remain, the better scoring entrant between or among the remaining tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest score for the 18th hole (9th for nine hole games) in such Game, and any remaining ties will be determined by identifying the lowest scoring entrant for each individual game hole, in sequence from 17th (8th for nine hole games) through to 1st, as is necessary to determine a winner, and if any ties remain at that point, the earlier-submitted entry between or among the tied entries will be deemed the better scoring entry.

  • jayw4862
    3,364 Posts
    Sat, Jan 30 2016 7:02 PM

    I see that. I'm soooooo glad I don't have, and won't ever have to fool with brackets again!!!!

    Like I said, WGT should have a "bracket results" link, same as RG's. They have the link, but it will not show any closed brackets.

    But, in the meantime, I would advise all premium bracket players to screenshot the bracket once they play, and then (if possible) right before it ends (even if you have the better score). The better score doesn't always win ;-)

     

     

  • xxxhogheadxxx
    949 Posts
    Sat, Jan 30 2016 7:15 PM

    There is countback even in brackets as I read the rules.  So let's break this down:

    1)  In the event of a tie, the better scoring entrant between or among the tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest combined score for the final nine (9) holes of the Game.

    2) If any ties remain, the better scoring entrant between or among the remaining tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest combined score for the final six (6) holes for such Game.

    3) If any ties remain, the better scoring entrant between or among the remaining tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest combined score for the final three (3) holes for such Game.

    4) If any ties remain, the better scoring entrant between or among the remaining tied entrants will be the entrant with the lowest score for the 18th hole (9th for nine hole games) in such Game, and any remaining ties will be determined by identifying the lowest scoring entrant for each individual game hole, in sequence from 17th (8th for nine hole games) through to 1st, as is necessary to determine a winner,

    ...now here is my argument with WGT...

    5) and if any ties remain at that point, the earlier-submitted entry between or among the tied entries will be deemed the better scoring entry.

     

    So point 5 clearly states that if two scorecards are an exact match...whomever submitted first is the winner.  It cannot be any clearer.  But WGT doesn't see it this way.

     

    I'll give my case to you all and let you be the judge(s).

    - Final round of a 4 round bracket...it's player (z) and me.  It is a par 5 9 hole match.

    - player (z) and I have tied.  both have 35.

    - i posted first and have proof of that, but first I had to check player(z's) history.

    - I see that player (z) made an eagle on hole 13...well guess what, so did I.

    - no other eagle was listed in player(z's) history for that BoP5 round.   Same as I.

    - It would be mathematically impossible for player (z) to have posted a 35 without birdies on 14-18, unless of course there was eagle to make up for a par(but see previous point).  So both of us, birdied every hole except for the eagle on hole #13.

    So you all tell me this... who wins 1st?

    Why WGT cannot see their error is beyond me.  But guess what WGT?  I ani't thru with you yet.  Yep, for a measly 300 or so credits(which don't even matter to me), I'm going to stay on you like white on rice.

    Reason for my persistence:

    1- if you screwed up on this match, guess how many more people you will piss off!  It ain't about the credits.  

    2- someday I do hope to play in the high stake credit matches...and there, any mistakes by the program will definitely get players attention.

    Just fix the darn game!

  • fmagnets
    3,640 Posts
    Sat, Jan 30 2016 8:20 PM

    Could well be more duff programming, but also bear in mind that there is a bug in the reporting of the holes eagles were made on. If you go back and check after every round, you will see that the eagles are always reported, but sometimes allotted to the wrong hole.

    It's a Russian doll of bugs - bug, within a bug, within a bug.....

  • MrQueez
    559 Posts
    Sun, Jan 31 2016 1:50 AM

    xxxhogheadxxx:
    i posted first and have proof of that

    If you have video proof let's see it.  I was able to find the bracket and checked the history and WGT show's you both eagled #13.

  • Win1Soon
    385 Posts
    Sun, Jan 31 2016 2:18 AM

    I would like to request a full and detailed explanation of how this works wgt. Your game, your rule facilitation..... explain more please.

  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Sun, Jan 31 2016 2:37 AM

    xxxhogheadxxx:

    ...now here is my argument with WGT...

    5) and if any ties remain at that point, the earlier-submitted entry between or among the tied entries will be deemed the better scoring entry.

     

    So point 5 clearly states that if two scorecards are an exact match...whomever submitted first is the winner.  It cannot be any clearer.  But WGT doesn't see it this way.

    Once again, I think it could be much clearer.  Why is the "the earlier-submitted entry" not the person that enters first?  The earlier posted score in that round would be clear.

  • xxxhogheadxxx
    949 Posts
    Sun, Jan 31 2016 7:19 AM

    MrQueez:

    xxxhogheadxxx:
    i posted first and have proof of that

    If you have video proof let's see it.  I was able to find the bracket and checked the history and WGT show's you both eagled #13.

    No video proof, but I am copying my scorecards from now on.  So you did see the history and it clearly shows I posted first as my eagle is recorded one day before theirs.  That should be enough in this situation since the round format(par 5's) is easy to deduce what a player scored on each hole.

    Now fmagnets stated above that eagles might be recorded on wrong holes.  I have never heard of this issue.  If that is true, then as a player, you are legally screwed unless you have a copy of your scorecard.  

    What a mess to have to go thru in order to get the correct placements in brackets.

  • xxxhogheadxxx
    949 Posts
    Sun, Jan 31 2016 7:20 AM

    fmagnets:

    Could well be more duff programming, but also bear in mind that there is a bug in the reporting of the holes eagles were made on. If you go back and check after every round, you will see that the eagles are always reported, but sometimes allotted to the wrong hole.

    It's a Russian doll of bugs - bug, within a bug, within a bug.....

    Then WGT needs to tell us about this one.   Have never heard of this.

  • ZioMio
    4,680 Posts
    Sun, Jan 31 2016 8:47 AM

    fmagnets:
    bug, within a bug, within a bug.....

    Language warning for da sissies ;-)

     

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