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• Vaibhav5viv 886 Posts

  Sat, Aug 19 2017 9:59 PM

  fatdan:

  birchi:

   part of the population that wasn't that smart to begin with.

  Speaking of uninformed ramblings...

  Case in point.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sat, Aug 19 2017 10:28 PM

  Criminality is always wrong, always. Heartfelt condolences to the wronged.

  Differing factions were involved.  Sinister plays a part in more than one of those, and that's a fair point too much so called news misses I think.

  I guess you could say OK read the broad sheets same as ever.  One side is using social media one line news the best these days though it seems to me......Using a criminal act to help further that is just as wrong as the act.

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Aug 19 2017 11:30 PM

  LuckySkreet:

  With all due respect........ and after reading the following previous posted statements...

  There is quite a large difference between generalizations and politics. What YOU read into it is another story, I can't control that. To talk about a society's woes is not political, it's necessary.

  LuckySkreet:

   to open the door to "politics" then lay blame at his doorstep for responding is .......................................................some priceless irony

  His response was totally political to include references. Nowhere did I suggest anything that involved specific people or parties. This thread dies because of that and it didn't come from me. Learn to have a discussion, not deflect.

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Sun, Aug 20 2017 12:48 AM

  alosso:

  A call for peace and non-violence.

  It's difficult, probably too difficult :(

  Look at the arguments being exchanged here - short of a war of words, unfortunately, but none of these statements will change the mind of anybody.

  For today, I'm happy to hear of a calm outcome of the first Boston rally,

  Peace!

• LuckySkreet 611 Posts

  Sun, Aug 20 2017 12:56 AM

  YankeeJim:

  LuckySkreet:

  With all due respect........ and after reading the following previous posted statements...

  There is quite a large difference between generalizations and politics. What YOU read into it is another story, I can't control that. To talk about a society's woes is not political, it's necessary.

  LuckySkreet:

   to open the door to "politics" then lay blame at his doorstep for responding is .......................................................some priceless irony

  His response was totally political to include references. Nowhere did I suggest anything that involved specific people or parties. This thread dies because of that and it didn't come from me. Learn to have a discussion, not deflect.

   

   Again....   here are the posts....  

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  "This goes way deeper than that. This is the stuff civil wars are made of. The hatred and bigotry is ingrained in too many ignorant people. Only solid leadership will maintain order and the United States is severely lacking there. That is what has to change."

  "This is exactly the epic fail by today's leadership-there is no clear cut stance against this sort of behavior especially when leadership calls that a base of support. Half right when you're 100% wrong to begin with sends a most confusing message and empowers the wrong element. It's how you control the narrative."

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  Non Political Leadership of whom or what are you referring......  Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts?

  If you would kindly clarify the "Non Political Leadership" you have mentioned....  I'm sure we can all just move along.......... 

• birchi 1,492 Posts

  Sun, Aug 20 2017 1:04 AM

  I'm not going to respond to gonfission's unfiltered stream of consciousness (or lack thereof), because I honestly don't know where to start. I have one remark though: If you think Obama was a not a good president - a opinion one can certainly hold - and base that opinion in all your glorious intellectualism on a blunder in an interview - you will be shocked to learn what the 43rd president has to offer in that regard. 

  SlicedPepper:

  What happened in Charlottesville is typical socialist behaviour.

  If you don't think like them you are the enemy. They don't want discussion.

  They call for violence in the streets, in fact they showed up to do just that, but after it happened they start screaming about being attacked. Playing the innocent card.

  I'm honestly disgusted by this statement. This was an act of domestic terrorism as part of a goddamn nazi-rally, how far have you descended into political tribalism to blame the left/socialists/whatever you wanna call it for this? One must disagree with the tactics (not the motivations, imo) of Antifa and other groups in general, but they are not to blame here.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sun, Aug 20 2017 1:26 AM

  birchi:

  One must disagree with the tactics (not the motivations, imo) of Antifa and other groups in general, but they are not to blame here.

  Antifa are not to blame here for the direct causation......Their existence in the world is as unfortunate as any other hard nasty left or right extremist going.

  Leave aside what I thought of Obama and the whole sorry lib left attempt anywhere.  Some of it looks great on paper and yes people are searching for a way out of times that Marx might recognise...Left is never going to be right (I am old enough to remember the realities of such debacles being tried, and I am not sure even that compares to today's nasty left).......Really is politics though.Apologies

• gonfission 2,246 Posts

  Sun, Aug 20 2017 5:00 AM

  birchi:

  I'm not going to respond to gonfission's unfiltered stream of consciousness (or lack thereof), because I honestly don't know where to start.

  then >

  birchi:

  I have one remark though

  Epic fail, way to bring humor back to town,

  As far as the demonstrative Uni-Yorker, the majority has kindly spoken, and found you lacking, on this one occasion. We're all fallible, from time to time.

  All references I made to individuals, are just that. Individuals, no longer part of the problem in a political arena. They are civilians. I never thought conscious talk about civilians could be construed into a political  platform.

  The spelling of both parties was fallacious, for that reason as well.

  Thanks to the others for the ability to see what is, simply for the sake of it.

  Alosso, I have no bones with you, never have. You are the "Carnac" of all things WGT.

  Carnac, was a character played by Johnny Carson, on the "Tonight Show". He knew the answers to the questions, before they were asked.

  If I, as traveled and learned as I have become, over conflicts, had the solution to peaceful presentation of thoughts & actions, I would gladly give my life to see it ushered in.

  If enough people think as you and others do, inevitably, after many a massacre, it will come to fruition. Right now in the U.S. we are going through a paradigm shift. The Millennials are very reminiscent of the 60's "Hippy" generation, only in the manner that they are a large group of like minded individuals, that actually want change from the dogma, of what we are leaving them.

  Conflict, is not their means to an end. If they would only get jobs...

  Thanks for your thoughts and wishes.

  Whether you believe it or not, I am on your side... 

• craigswan 31,819 Posts

  Sun, Aug 20 2017 5:28 AM

  I was born and still stay in a quiet little town in Scotland . Black people are few and far between . Infact if one walks down a street it is still a head turner . We are not racist just never been exposed to most foreign people or religions except our own .

  Obviously having travelled extensively has opened my eyes .

  Our son is marrying next month into a carribean/black family .

  They are warm and inviting people but already the mum has given us stories about how she was treated as a child . Different entrance doors for eating , different buses to get around etc and her daughter was a speaker at a rally to celebrate the abolishion of slavery .

  Food for thought for me . We seem to be getting drawn into a world we are not to keen on .

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Sun, Aug 20 2017 5:45 AM

  gonfission:

  Alosso, I have no bones with you, never have.

  I appreciate your declaration. I was in doubt but I could not imagine an answer to that long post. Thus I didn't reply.

  Concerning Carnac, I'm deeply in doubt. I only read about the tensions and the possible build-up while I happened to read in the NYT of a study showing that non-violent behaviour is better in conflicts than violence, both in success and duration. This was when I remembered Gandhi and Dr. King.

  Also in the NYT, I read "How to make fun of ***", chuckling.