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  • Doublemochaman
    2,009 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 8:24 AM

    SweetiePie... I think Mr. Ladenburg did say he has played Chambers Bay many times.  He lives in the area.  All in all, to maybe put a positive end to this thread, I think the relative superiority of a golf course is a fairly subjective thing.  What is one person's preference may not be another's.  For many, Chambers Bay might not be your "cup of sand".  Some people liked the movie "Titanic".  Some didn't.

  • JLadenburg
    19 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 9:07 AM

    Here is another site with some real information and pictures of Chambers Bay: http://golf.about.com/od/golfcourespictures/ig/Chambers-Bay-Gallery/

     

  • oppy
    286 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 9:30 AM

    JLadenburg:

    Again, more proof you have no idea what you are talking about.  Trees?  Chambers has no trees on the course at all.  There is one tree just off the course behind the 16th tee box.  By the way, St. Andrews has just one tree also. (but it's not Links, right?)  Oh, and the picture, that is not Chambers Bay.  Fescue not native to the Pacific NW?  Huh, what are you smoking?  Gorse is an invasive species and Bandon spends thousands every year trying to control it.  Chambers has hillsides filled with Scots Broom. Try going to the website: www.chambersgolf.com

    I did not say last century, I said last HALF century!  And that is true.  No course built in American since 1961 has been given the honor of a US OPEN, except Chambers Bay!  That's right, the youngest course on the Open list is Hazeltine, built in 1961.  So, instead of attacking me with your ignorant remarks, try learning some facts.  Again, go the web page above and check out the golf rankings from around the world.  Chambers was just selected to be among the top 100 courses in WORLD.  This is not my opinion, it's the opinion of experts!  Read the reviews.  Debating someone so ignorant of the facts is like a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

    It is one of the main issues with the selection of Chambers Bay for 2015  US Open, that they are having problems growing in the fescue into the course. Obviously you are not well informed about golf related news. Just because they cut down trees that were on the site before to make it look more like a links course doesn't mean that the trees are not native.......to Oregon!!!!! Oregon!!!!!!! There are trees everywhere!!!! Gorse is considered an invasive species because it is not native to Oregon, it was brought from places like the British Isles and introduced to the area. And you still havent answered why a" real links course" needed to artificially shape mounds and move in 1.4 million cubic yards of dirt!!!

    I miswrote in my previous post about the full century, but all of the courses I listed before were built in the last 50 years. You tried to tell me that  Chambers Bay surpasses Sand Hills, Cape Kidnappers, Pacific Dunes, Bandon Dunes, TPC Sawgrass, Kiawah Ocean Course, Muirfield Village, The Golf Club, Harbour Town, Kingsbarns, Loch Lomond, Old Sandwich, The European Club, Spyglass Hill, Casa de Campo, The K Club, PGA West, Cabo del Sol, Hazeltine, and Valderrama. THEY ARE ALL BETTER GOLF COURSES. Just because because one course hosted a major and another one didnt doesnt mean the course that hosted the major is better. Shinnecock and Winged Foot could have easily hosted the 2015 US Open, but they rejected it because the US Open trashed their courses the last time around. So by your definition, you are basically saying  Chambers Bay would be better than better than Cypress Point and Pine Valley (yes i know these havent been built in the past 50 years but this is what you imply) because PV and CP havent held a US Open. Once again, you know nothing about golf.

  • JLadenburg
    19 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 5:10 PM

    Once again, you prove my point with your ignorance.  Chambers Bay is in WASHINGTON state, not Oregon.  There were no trees to cut down because it was an active gravel mine for over 100 years.  I like the way you just make up facts and then claim you know something.  The course is only two years old, still growing in.  I have been personally involved and there is no problem growing the Fescue.  ( which you said was not native).  You are not only not well informed, you just make up so-called facts and when you are called on it  you change the subject.  Sorry to embarass you so much but you asked for it by being so know-it-all with no facts.  You have NEVER even seen Chambers, but you have an opinion.  Yes, Chambers is better than all you list.  Just because it is new doesn't mean it's not better.  You have ablsolutely proven that you not only know nothing about golf courses, you are completely uninformed.  Go back to watching Fox News. 

  • SweetiePie
    4,925 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 6:08 PM

    All kidding aside, I did some checking with friends who are reliable and although reports were varied, one thing was consistant with all...show up only with the A game and prepare to get taken to the shed. But these new courses take many years and many good chances at fortune before they can be considered as truly great. Right now, it is truly new and truly all the test you could ever want..or not. Or so I hear.

  • oppy
    286 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 6:24 PM

    JLadenburg:

    Once again, you prove my point with your ignorance.  Chambers Bay is in WASHINGTON state, not Oregon.  There were no trees to cut down because it was an active gravel mine for over 100 years.  I like the way you just make up facts and then claim you know something.  The course is only two years old, still growing in.  I have been personally involved and there is no problem growing the Fescue.  ( which you said was not native).  You are not only not well informed, you just make up so-called facts and when you are called on it  you change the subject.  Sorry to embarass you so much but you asked for it by being so know-it-all with no facts.  You have NEVER even seen Chambers, but you have an opinion.  Yes, Chambers is better than all you list.  Just because it is new doesn't mean it's not better.  You have ablsolutely proven that you not only know nothing about golf courses, you are completely uninformed.  Go back to watching Fox News. 

    The point is that trees are native to Washington (which has the same climate as Oregon anyway, they are practically the same states). Maybe you say they have no problem growing in the fescue, but I know for a fact this is one of the remaining issues for the course, not to mention the fact that it is a fake links course. It is not the fact that the course is new, the point is that it lacks class as being an artificial attempt (and it fails) at trying to resemble some of the greatest courses in the world. I like many new courses, Muirfield Village, Sand Hills, Cape Kidnappers, Harbour Town, Loch Lomond, Spyglass Hill, and Valderrama are all courses that I am very fond of. They are great courses because they all fit it very well into their natural surroundings, don't look forced, and did not need the kind of mass dirt moving that Chambers Bay needed. I have played many courses that are better than Chambers Bay by the way. Fox News has nothing to do with this, and I never watch it. I guess I will leave the argument to end here, and I hope you  eventually develop a good taste in golf course architecture. 

  • Doublemochaman
    2,009 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 6:32 PM

    If WGT ever puts up Chambers Bay on here I vote for Oppy and JLadenburg to shake hands and play the initial match on it.  I'll buy the drinks afterwards in the clubhouse.

  • JLadenburg
    19 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 6:43 PM

    You just refuse to admit  you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about.  Ok, I played at Chambers today.  It was partly cloudy, some sun and wind from the south about 5-10mph.  The FESCUE was fine, the course played great, hard and fast.  YOU "know for a fact" the fescue is a problem.  REALLY?  I played it today, middle of winter and it's fine.  You are so full of it.  Fake links?  Again you just make up a term, means nothing. I know more about golf architecture than you could ever read about.  I suggest you buy a friend of mine's book.  It's called "Golf by Design' by Robert Trent Jones Jr.  You might learn something.

  • AlaCowboy
    1,321 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 7:35 PM

    JLadenburg:

    You just refuse to admit  you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about.  Ok, I played at Chambers today.  It was partly cloudy, some sun and wind from the south about 5-10mph.  The FESCUE was fine, the course played great, hard and fast.  YOU "know for a fact" the fescue is a problem.  REALLY?  I played it today, middle of winter and it's fine.  You are so full of it.  Fake links?  Again you just make up a term, means nothing. I know more about golf architecture than you could ever read about.  I suggest you buy a friend of mine's book.  It's called "Golf by Design' by Robert Trent Jones Jr.  You might learn something.

    Well, not to play the one-upmanship game and name drop, but would you like an autographed picture of me being awarded my Masters green jacket by Tiger?  :)

  • oppy
    286 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 8:20 PM

    JLadenburg:

    You just refuse to admit  you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about.  Ok, I played at Chambers today.  It was partly cloudy, some sun and wind from the south about 5-10mph.  The FESCUE was fine, the course played great, hard and fast.  YOU "know for a fact" the fescue is a problem.  REALLY?  I played it today, middle of winter and it's fine.  You are so full of it.  Fake links?  Again you just make up a term, means nothing. I know more about golf architecture than you could ever read about.  I suggest you buy a friend of mine's book.  It's called "Golf by Design' by Robert Trent Jones Jr.  You might learn something.

    JLadenburg:

     

    You just refuse to admit  you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about.  Ok, I played at Chambers today.  It was partly cloudy, some sun and wind from the south about 5-10mph.  The FESCUE was fine, the course played great, hard and fast.  YOU "know for a fact" the fescue is a problem.  REALLY?  I played it today, middle of winter and it's fine.  You are so full of it.  Fake links?  Again you just make up a term, means nothing. I know more about golf architecture than you could ever read about.  I suggest you buy a friend of mine's book.  It's called "Golf by Design' by Robert Trent Jones Jr.  You might learn something.

    Fake links isnt a special term i made up i am just saying that is not a real links and it pretends to be one. Maybe Chambers Bay is your home course and you feel attached to it so good for you that you can enjoy it, but i will never give a course like that any credit.  And i stand by the fact that an issue with the course is that they have had troubles growing the fescue in. I reccomend to you a book called "The Course Beautiful" by AW Tillinghast, he is twice the architect that Trent Jones Jr will ever be and maybe it might help you learn a thing or two about sound architecture.

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