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  • JLadenburg
    19 Posts
    Fri, Nov 27 2009 5:48 PM

    Doublemochaman:

    Although, Mr. Ladenburg, I do believe Pacific Dunes could have been selected for a U.S, Open site except for the fact it is not in or near a population center, which is a requirement for ease of attendance reasons.  I'll hold my course comparison until I play Chambers (this winter, now that you've given me reason to) even though I've read that many would choose Pacific Dunes or the upcoming Old Macdonald over Chambers.

    I have played Pacific Dunes and it is in my top twenty courses.  The difference is that Pacific Dunes has two or three "clunker" holes.  Chambers has none.

     

  • SweetiePie
    4,925 Posts
    Fri, Nov 27 2009 6:28 PM

    JLadenburg:

    First, the google maps are two years old.  Second, the fact that it was built on 265 acres of sand left over from a gravel pit is what made it great. Every hole could be made perfect, just move the sand.  The fact that it has surpassed every course build since 1961 is proof enough.

     

    Two years? Oh my...they still prove that you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t

  • munchie71
    2 Posts
    Sat, Nov 28 2009 3:33 AM
    We need more courses for stroke play. Why the courses that r on closes to the hole tournaments? the change would be awesome. something needs to happen soon. Thanks for your time, this is just a suggestion.
  • oppy
    286 Posts
    Sat, Nov 28 2009 7:13 AM

    JLadenburg:
    Oppy:

    You obviously have never been to Chambers Bay.

    Oh, just played Kapalua Plantation and Bay courses and two of the Wailia courses. Chambers is better. If you haven't played true Links golf in Scotland or Ireland,then you probably cannot appreciate it. It's like Port Marnought in Dublin. It got the US Amatuer and US Open faster than any course in history for a reason.

    First of all, Port Marnought is not a golf course, it is Portmarnock, which first shows that you are lacking knowledge of real links courses. Chambers Bay is nothing close to a real links style golf course. Let me quote the true definition of links golf:

    "A 'links golf course' refers to the type of soil and terrain on which it is built. Only 92 of the golf courses in Scotland (17%) are true links courses, although this includes most of the historical courses. Another 10% of Scottish courses are coastal with some properties of 'links' courses and moorland vegetation. Apart from links courses, the other main types of Scottish golf courses are parkland (61%) and moorland (17%).
     
    A Links is any rough grassy area between the sea and the land and the word itself is derived form the Anglo-Saxon word 'hlinc', of about 931 AD, meaning a ridge.Later the word was used to denote any common grassy area in a town and now the term 'The Links' is used to refer to any golf course.

    True links soil is sandy and because of the lack of its moisture, the grass tends to have short blades with long roots. The grass in the rough is often the wispy long grass which makes play very difficult even in a good lie. Links courses drain well and provide a very firm golfing surface all year round, and are thus the preferred choice of most good golfers.

    Links land is common on the east coast of Scotland from Wick to Berwick, but it is also found in the south-west coast and the Hebridean islands. Early golf developed on links land. In time the golf links were cultivated and the sand and burns (small rivers) that crossed the links were shaped into the hazards that they are today, especially the sand, putting it in holes called bunkers, a particular Scottish term. They may also have been inspired by the quarry pits which proliferated on some links, such as Aberdeen and Bruntsfield. When courses were created inland they incorporated the tradition of these hazards, as the Bunker and the Water Hazard.

    Links terrain was ideal for golfing in the early days for several reasons.  The land is naturally undulating and extensive but of little agricultural value and thus very suitable for this kind of use. A form of golf was once played on the continent but died out, possibly because of the lack of such a suitable safe area on which to play.

    Because there were no mechanical grass cutters before the mid-nineteenth century, golf was played in winter when the grass was naturally short by animal grazing. The links area on the east coast was accessible to the golfers of the time and coincides with the area of minimal rainfall in Scotland. With its better drainage, links land is therefore more suitable for winter play."

     

  • oppy
    286 Posts
    Sat, Nov 28 2009 7:26 AM

    Doublemochaman:

    Although, Mr. Ladenburg, I do believe Pacific Dunes could have been selected for a U.S, Open site except for the fact it is not in or near a population center, which is a requirement for ease of attendance reasons.  I'll hold my course comparison until I play Chambers (this winter, now that you've given me reason to) even though I've read that many would choose Pacific Dunes or the upcoming Old Macdonald over Chambers.

    None of the courses mentioned here deserve to hold a US Open, because US Opens are meant to be played on classic American (mostly being tree lined) Medinah 3, Pinehurst 2, Bethpage Black, Winged Foot West, Shinnecock Hills, Oak Hill, Oakland hills, Olympia fields, Olympic Club,  Merion, Pebble Beach, Oakmont, Southern Hills, Baltusrol Lower, The Country Club, Chicago Golf Club, Congessional, Riviera, even Baltimore. All of these courses deserve to hold us opens over any of these new age sham so called "links courses."

  • JLadenburg
    19 Posts
    Sat, Nov 28 2009 8:26 AM
    OPPY; " This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. First, I have actually played Portmarnock and it is a Links course. Second, the Links you describe (taken from some book) is an EXACT description of Chambers Bay. What you don't know is that there are three places in the world that have what is known as a "Marine West Coast" weather system, Scotland-Ireland, New Zealand and the Pacific Northwest. Therefore, links required things like Fescue grass are native here in the NW just like in Scotland and Ireland. Chambers is not just another course claiming to be links, it is the real deal. That is why the USGA gave it a US Open. Chambers was built on an old gravel pit. After 100 years of washing gravel, the site was left with sand over 60 feet deep in places. That sand was merely shaped into dunes and the golf course laid out. It is hard and fast, fescue only grasses, no water in play, every hole unique. Just like any links course, there are no trees and lots of sand. One sand area between holes is 7.1 acres. Like many great links courses in Scotland and Ireland, it has train tracks going by the sea. It is a totally classic links throwback the greatest courses in the world and that is how it has surpassed every course built for the last half century.
  • oppy
    286 Posts
    Sat, Nov 28 2009 5:42 PM

    JLadenburg:
    OPPY; " This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. First, I have actually played Portmarnock and it is a Links course. Second, the Links you describe (taken from some book) is an EXACT description of Chambers Bay. What you don't know is that there are three places in the world that have what is known as a "Marine West Coast" weather system, Scotland-Ireland, New Zealand and the Pacific Northwest. Therefore, links required things like Fescue grass are native here in the NW just like in Scotland and Ireland. Chambers is not just another course claiming to be links, it is the real deal. That is why the USGA gave it a US Open. Chambers was built on an old gravel pit. After 100 years of washing gravel, the site was left with sand over 60 feet deep in places. That sand was merely shaped into dunes and the golf course laid out. It is hard and fast, fescue only grasses, no water in play, every hole unique. Just like any links course, there are no trees and lots of sand. One sand area between holes is 7.1 acres. Like many great links courses in Scotland and Ireland, it has train tracks going by the sea. It is a totally classic links throwback the greatest courses in the world and that is how it has surpassed every course built for the last half century.

    So native fescue grass means links course by your definition? If Chambers Bay is a links course than why does it have trees (all you have to do is look at some pictures of it on google to see it has trees) , did the designer have to shape artificial dunes and move 1.4 MILLION Cubic Yards of dirt into the course, the course is having problems growing fescue into the course (because it is not natural to the area, is there no gorse bushes, and have massive waste bunkers (these are never a design feature on real links courses).

    (TREES, WASTE BUNKERING, NO GORSE TO BE SEEN, ARTIFICIAL DUNES) 

     

    Chambers bay is better than any course made in the past century? This is one of the least intelligent golf related comments i have ever heard. So you are saying that Chambers Bay surpasses Sand Hills, Cape Kidnappers, Pacific Dunes, Bandon Dunes, TPC Sawgrass, Kiawah Ocean Course, Muirfield Village, The Golf Club, Harbour Town, Kingsbarns, Loch Lomond, Old Sandwich, The European Club, Spyglass Hill, Casa de Campo, The K Club, PGA West, Cabo del Sol, and Valderrama. Lol, yes, you really no nothing about golf.

  • tibbets
    1,043 Posts
    Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:11 PM

    Well, this thread can safely be locked.

  • JLadenburg
    19 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 8:06 AM

    oppy:

    JLadenburg:
    OPPY; " This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. First, I have actually played Portmarnock and it is a Links course. Second, the Links you describe (taken from some book) is an EXACT description of Chambers Bay. What you don't know is that there are three places in the world that have what is known as a "Marine West Coast" weather system, Scotland-Ireland, New Zealand and the Pacific Northwest. Therefore, links required things like Fescue grass are native here in the NW just like in Scotland and Ireland. Chambers is not just another course claiming to be links, it is the real deal. That is why the USGA gave it a US Open. Chambers was built on an old gravel pit. After 100 years of washing gravel, the site was left with sand over 60 feet deep in places. That sand was merely shaped into dunes and the golf course laid out. It is hard and fast, fescue only grasses, no water in play, every hole unique. Just like any links course, there are no trees and lots of sand. One sand area between holes is 7.1 acres. Like many great links courses in Scotland and Ireland, it has train tracks going by the sea. It is a totally classic links throwback the greatest courses in the world and that is how it has surpassed every course built for the last half century.

    So native fescue grass means links course by your definition? If Chambers Bay is a links course than why does it have trees (all you have to do is look at some pictures of it on google to see it has trees) , did the designer have to shape artificial dunes and move 1.4 MILLION Cubic Yards of dirt into the course, the course is having problems growing fescue into the course (because it is not natural to the area, is there no gorse bushes, and have massive waste bunkers (these are never a design feature on real links courses).

    (TREES, WASTE BUNKERING, NO GORSE TO BE SEEN, ARTIFICIAL DUNES) 

     

    Chambers bay is better than any course made in the past century? This is one of the least intelligent golf related comments i have ever heard. So you are saying that Chambers Bay surpasses Sand Hills, Cape Kidnappers, Pacific Dunes, Bandon Dunes, TPC Sawgrass, Kiawah Ocean Course, Muirfield Village, The Golf Club, Harbour Town, Kingsbarns, Loch Lomond, Old Sandwich, The European Club, Spyglass Hill, Casa de Campo, The K Club, PGA West, Cabo del Sol, and Valderrama. Lol, yes, you really no nothing about golf.

    Again, more proof you have no idea what you are talking about.  Trees?  Chambers has no trees on the course at all.  There is one tree just off the course behind the 16th tee box.  By the way, St. Andrews has just one tree also. (but it's not Links, right?)  Oh, and the picture, that is not Chambers Bay.  Fescue not native to the Pacific NW?  Huh, what are you smoking?  Gorse is an invasive species and Bandon spends thousands every year trying to control it.  Chambers has hillsides filled with Scots Broom. Try going to the website: www.chambersgolf.com

    I did not say last century, I said last HALF century!  And that is true.  No course built in American since 1961 has been given the honor of a US OPEN, except Chambers Bay!  That's right, the youngest course on the Open list is Hazeltine, built in 1961.  So, instead of attacking me with your ignorant remarks, try learning some facts.  Again, go the web page above and check out the golf rankings from around the world.  Chambers was just selected to be among the top 100 courses in WORLD.  This is not my opinion, it's the opinion of experts!  Read the reviews.  Debating someone so ignorant of the facts is like a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

     

     

     

  • JLadenburg
    19 Posts
    Sun, Nov 29 2009 8:12 AM

    SweetiePie:

    JLadenburg:

    First, the google maps are two years old.  Second, the fact that it was built on 265 acres of sand left over from a gravel pit is what made it great. Every hole could be made perfect, just move the sand.  The fact that it has surpassed every course build since 1961 is proof enough.

     

     

    Two years? Oh my...they still prove that you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t

    And, remind me, how many times have you played Chambers?  Oh, wait, you've never even seen it?  Valuable opinion.

     

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