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Fri, Aug 31 2012 8:54 PM (54 replies)
  • zagraniczniak
    1,984 Posts
    Mon, May 21 2012 11:37 PM

    Lmorgan007:
    Oh and as for suggesting that Kiawah is in the same category as a links, well thats like saying McDonalds is in 'the same category' as a 3 star Michelin restaurant

    You might call Kiawah a wetlands course. It is a seaside course, but it is not pretending to be a links course as such. The beauty of Kiawah to me is that it makes the most of the natural habitat of the site.

    That is also the beauty of the links courses. It so happens that the links habitat exists in only a few places. Part of what makes links courses so enchanting to us Yanks is that we do not have this kind of terrain.

    What is cheesy, in my view, is attempting to copy a links course where there are no links. Respect the terrain and design courses that reflect the genius of the site. The worst offender in this sense would be courses like Whistling Straits. It has F - all to do with its natural site. Vulgar!

    As far as the balance of links courses on WGT, I think it would be fabulous if we could gradually add in the whole (British) Open rota, which has a mix of links and non-links courses. Then as the more varied and open-ended set of US Open courses are added in WGT will offer a splendid mix of top-quality courses.

  • MioKontic
    4,654 Posts
    Tue, May 22 2012 2:45 AM

    zagraniczniak:
    As far as the balance of links courses on WGT, I think it would be fabulous if we could gradually add in the whole (British) Open rota, which has a mix of links and non-links courses

    Zag - I think (but will stand corrected if someone can point one out) that all the Open courses are links courses.  Like you say, a links is a links because of it's terrain and its make-up... mainly due to being by the sea.  As an aside, quite a few also have railway lines running either through them or alongside them.  Kiawah is most definitely not a links course and plays nothing like a links - it is still typically target golf.

    I don't know who keeps spreading the rumour that Royal Lytham & St Annes won't be on WGT, but I am pretty certain it will as it has been photographed, and WGT won't have wasted all that time and money to not finish the job.

    It's a pity that WGT can't actually replicate the play on links courses; one has to use imagination as it is not target golf like most US courses.  For links courses you can almost throw the yardage book away when the wind is blowing (which is 95% of the time).  In the past I've driven a 4-iron to go 140 yards into wind, then later on the same course floated an 8-iron to go 194 yards downwind.  That part is replicated to some extent, but what they can't do is the low pitch shots from 100yds, the bump-and-runs, putting from fairways, etc, etc - this is what makes links golf so unique.

  • Bigmuggsy
    603 Posts
    Tue, May 22 2012 3:24 AM

    Was going to email WGT and see if they can add Bootle Municipal in Liverpool or maybe Kirkby

  • barbarella24
    513 Posts
    Tue, May 22 2012 5:26 AM

    MioKontic:
    putting from fairways

    When I watch re-runs of old Open championships I often see players putting from well off the green, does anyone try that on WGT?

  • MioKontic
    4,654 Posts
    Tue, May 22 2012 10:28 AM

    barbarella24:

    MioKontic:
    putting from fairways

    When I watch re-runs of old Open championships I often see players putting from well off the green, does anyone try that on WGT?

    I've seen someone do it a few times, but it's not easy on WGT as the ball pulls up very quickly.  My best suggestion is... go try it and see!

  • zagraniczniak
    1,984 Posts
    Tue, May 22 2012 11:15 AM

    barbarella24:
    When I watch re-runs of old Open championships I often see players putting from well off the green,

    Hah! That just goes to show how unrealistic those Open courses are. We know from WGT that it's not possible!

  • Doublemochaman
    2,009 Posts
    Tue, May 22 2012 11:21 AM

    Guessing there's a one-size-fits-all dynamic for putting from off the green at WGT... putts from off the green at St. Andrews will be the same as putts from off the green at Bethpage Black.

  • zagraniczniak
    1,984 Posts
    Tue, May 22 2012 11:25 AM

    MioKontic:

    ... all the Open courses are links courses.

    I stand corrected.

    MioKontic:
    I don't know who keeps spreading the rumour that Royal Lytham & St Annes won't be on WGT, but I am pretty certain it will as it has been photographed, and WGT won't have wasted all that time and money to not finish the job.

    Big news! Last year some news about the photo shoot at RSG leaked before the announcement. Is it the same with RLSA?

  • DAZZA501
    5,972 Posts
    Tue, May 22 2012 12:00 PM

    Doublemochaman:
    I'm siding with TarHeels on this one.  Kiawah is a sandy, flat tract on the ocean affected by ocean winds and weather.  I'd call that a links course.

    Land between the sea and stable land (land that can be built on) is known as links land. So therefore, i agree that Kiawah is a links course.

    From the Kiawah island website

    Designed from a ribbon of pristine sand dunes stretching nearly three miles along the Atlantic Ocean at the eastern end of Kiawah Island, The Ocean Course is a par-72 layout reminiscent of the great seaside links of England and Scotland.

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