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Break for 1 but not the other

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 6:52 PM

  Woodoworkery:

  It is just like when you are on the approach shot and you have a 10MPH cross wind , you allow plenty when you aim , but yet the ball seems to land 10-12 yards on the opposite side of the flag.

  The operative words are highlighted. You thought you allowed enough compensation for the wind, but did you really?

  We can be off from time to time. Not all shots are going to react the same. Its the nature of this game.

   

   

• WGTpizza 1,656 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 7:08 PM

  Woodoworkery,

  Allow me to give you my take on the matter :)

  Well, I would think reducing the game's programming to: "if this does this then this will happen" is a severe underestimation. While I am not a part of the programming team, I can tell you that the game tries to be realistic as possible. You will never be able to hit the same shot twice. You can never figure out a formula where (this) = x and (that) = y, so therefore: "If X does Y then this will happen".

  Of course, if you excel at this game you have certainly found strategies to apply at the right time in order to perform the best to your abilities - this is greatly encouraged :) Just as in real life golf, everyone has varying ability on any given day - sometimes the pro's shots don't end up as they planned, because they can't follow a formula. 

  Sometimes though, we lose sight of the (what im sure is) extensive programming in this game to allow such physics to exist. Admittedly, I know nothing about the programming side of this company but I would not like to play a game where the programming limited me by making it able to click the same order of operations every time with very little thought or strategy in order to succeed.

  I believe WGT offers more than that. It offers a dynamic environment that is unique in it's implementation of programmed physics. And Woodoworkery, I can sympathize with your plight. I have had many problems assessing the wind on my shots, in real life as well as the in the game. In both situations I keep thinking I am compensating just enough, but with no success - until I change just a little bit and I learn a better way. I improve.

  I hope I communicated my opinion on this subject the right way, and I hope I was able to show you a different way of looking at your game :)

   

  Stay Classy,

  -WGTpizza

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 7:17 PM

  Re: Richard4168

  Oh yeah, I know I allowed enough I am certain about that, if anything should have been 2 -3 yards before the flag on the right side of the flag, in other words 2-3 yards short. It's just a fact the game has bugs we all get them, it aggravates the heck out of us , but we still keep coming back for more. I guess it's the competitive part of us that takes over. 

  I just wish they would say OK that should not have happened, we have to look into it. Instead of saying "it's just like real life"   

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 7:30 PM

  If what you say is true, then explain to me score's in the low 50's and even high 40's, this is  not done by just one player but by many. Evidently they have found the formula. What is the sense in practicing if there is not a pattern to the out come. I don't think this is a hit and hope game.

  Don't get me wrong the game is fun, but when you are on a roll and then out of the clear blue sky a shot goes hay wire, or the meter starts jerking , or you hit a putt with enough power that it should go in but it stop's at the edge .02 from the hole come on it's a clinch in the program.    

• WGTpizza 1,656 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 7:48 PM

  Woodoworkery:

  If what you say is true, then explain to me score's in the low 50's and even high 40's, this is  not done by just one player but by many. Evidently they have found the formula. What is the sense in practicing if there is not a pattern to the out come. I don't think this is a hit and hope game.

  Don't get me wrong the game is fun, but when you are on a roll and then out of the clear blue sky a shot goes hay wire, or the meter starts jerking , or you hit a putt with enough power that it should go in but it stop's at the edge .02 from the hole come on it's a clinch in the program.    

  Hmm some tough points here. Let me start by saying: like you and the community, we are aware of problems that exist in our game. In fact I would say PAINFULLY aware, as it is our business to go through the process of identifying these issues and squashing them with all due haste.

  We hear all of your testaments and we are hard at work attempting to slay the hydra.

  We're definitely not perfect, as evident by the game's Beta stage, but every day we are taking your suggestions and turning them in to in-game improvements. One day we will have worked out nearly every major problem and we will be able to graduate from Beta.

  However, until then, we need you, our community. Every day we are looking for ways to make the game play more enjoyable and where do we look for these suggestions? You, our community. We will grow because of you and we hope you have the patience to come along with us. :)

  And if missing a putt is a glitch, then making putts go in 100% of the time would be the fix?

  Stay Classy,

  -WGTpizza

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 7:52 PM

  We both see things differently then Wood. The reason I can't play this game is due to my own inconsistencies, not the game, and I can admit that.

  There's too many times I do get on a roll, and hit birdies and eagles in a streak. The stark reality is, it doesn't, and shouldn't occur at all times.

  The better players have come out and said they don't shoot mid 50 rounds on every occasion. It took a lot of rounds for them to gain the knowledge to shoot such low scores.

  I just don't see bugs and glitches that some players are talking about for the mere fact that I can still shoot birdies and eagles. I've learned the new wind and yes, I do get the the ole wind compensation flip-flop, but just take the par and move on.

• WGTpizza 1,656 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 7:55 PM

  Richard4168:

  We both see things differently then Wood. The reason I can't play this game is due to my own inconsistencies, not the game, and I can admit that.

  There's too many times I do get on a roll, and hit birdies and eagles in a streak. The stark reality is, it doesn't, and shouldn't occur at all times.

  The better players have come out and said they don't shoot mid 50 rounds on every occasion. It took a lot of rounds for them to gain the knowledge to shoot such low scores.

  I just don't see bugs and glitches that some players are talking about for the mere fact that I can still shoot birdies and eagles. I've learned the new wind and yes, I do get the the ole wind compensation flip-flop, but just take the par and move on.

   

  Well said, Richard4168.

  -WGTpizza

   

• jvr86 799 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 7:56 PM

  Ok, 2 shot will never be the same, still, a good player, and by the look at Chris stats I can consider him as someone that knows how to play, some times the ball dont break to avoid you to get the ball in the hole.

  IT IS TRUE.

  AND IT IS HAPPENING TO ME A LOT.

  I'm not the conspiracy theory guy, but I think I have earned the right to say that after a while you know how the ball will break acording to what the grid show. 

  this happen more often when Im close to -12. 

  again. IT IS TRUE, is not a complain, is not a theory... is just what it is. 

   

  some players will say that we need to learn how to play, ok fair enough. Then I can think that if you don't see this happening you dont know how to play, or (for those who really know the game) it play different for you. 

  what it is, I don't know, but Im sure something is not right. Probably score control, or simply how deviation works, 

  If it is how deviation works, then I will be happy only if this happen to everyone in the same tournament. because is not fair to limit someone score and help another one to have a great round. and I spoke by being in the winner side and in the loosing side. I would like to know that I won the tournament because I was better and not because I had the good deviation. 

   

  Sorry, but I was -10 on #10 at cabo few minutes ago and the game become a monster, all my putt started to go short or without break, ... just imagine wind and forgiveness, but that is another story.....

   

  good day.

• WGTpizza 1,656 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 8:08 PM

  jvr86:

  If it is how deviation works, then I will be happy only if this happen to everyone in the same tournament. because is not fair to limit someone score and help another one to have a great round.

   

  So then as in real life, we should take all the players in each game and make all of their skill levels equal? To be fair? 

  Everyone comes to each game with their own level of skill. Just like real life, some people have bad days, some people have good days, and some people just have a little luck in their pocket. There isn't any sort of in-game random limitation on specific players. We are not interfering with your game. We want you all to learn and grow as golfers in order to accurately balance the community-wide playing field and it's impossible to do that if we imposed any sort of random hindrance to your player.

  Sorry to hear about  about your experience at Cabo. If you're ever playing and you think you are experiencing abnormal conditions, make sure to use the in-game bug report feature. This is how we grow as a company to provide you with a better experience. In the mean time, thank you for your patience :)

  Stay classy,

  -WGT

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Fri, Jun 1 2012 8:20 PM

  Jvr, no one said the better players don't experience approach shots, or putts coming up short.

  We all as players experience these shot outcomes. WGTpizza has done a fantastic job explaining this.