yes it was the Clevelands i was referring to Rock m8 , sorry if it didn't come across like that ;-)
I just find the 50,75 and 100 ATV's much more manageable , I very rarely use much spin in my game , I've split top and bottom with the ATV's into 6 top and 6 bottom equal increments, to stop the ball dead i use 1 down , 2 down if it slight downhill , very rarely below this except bunker shots.
Out of rough , i find i need no bottom, leave dot where it is and add extra distance to what i strike the ball in relation to the percentage of rough , 3 yds extra works well in 20 / 25 % rough, 4 or 5 yds extra for 40/50% rough and so on.
Top is almost exactly 6yds forward with full top , these are just some of the distances I've found and they seem to work quite , I'll say quite well because there's always room for improvement, and I'm always willing to learn.
Fek m8, I have the full set of Clevelands still, just do not use em, but you never know , maybe one day I'll go back to them if ever the need arises.
P.S also the slower swing meter with the ATV's will enable you to use the lower end balls for longer, always good in my eyes ;-)