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L97 Nike VR Mid Iron Shot Walkabout?

Thu, May 29 2014 7:17 AM (100 replies)
  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Sat, Jan 11 2014 7:56 PM

    geraldlarousse:

    You are not talking about some unlimited CTTH crap are you??

    I surely hope not....lol. In case you are.... it does not matter!!!!!!

    I was talking the top earners list where credits are earned in stroke play.  CTTH you can't earn lotsa cr.

    Speaking of CTTH, What better test of an Iron's precision?  No putting involved to cloud the issue.  To lead those tourneys you need all 9 shots to be tight.

     

     

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Sat, Jan 11 2014 8:24 PM

    geraldlarousse:
    I rented them and seen the same thing. Easy for me to get into discussion about them.

    Pffft. You didn't learn them, you whacked them around. You have no leg to stand on.

    geraldlarousse:
    Question for you Jim... when you hit a ding shot and it flies offline.. can you see that it flew in wrong direction??

    Doesn't happen like that for me. If it's offline its because I hit it that way. Ding ceased to be king a while ago, no surprise at the complaints. 

    geraldlarousse:
    So i have to pay $40 to see the same thing i saw when rented so then i can be pi55ed off like them??

    No, you're already po'd, save your coin. This thread is just another excuse for you to go off on the whole scene. Give it a rest.

  • geraldlarousse
    1,986 Posts
    Sat, Jan 11 2014 8:43 PM

    YankeeJim:

    Doesn't happen like that for me. If it's offline its because I hit it that way. Ding ceased to be king a while ago, no surprise at the complaints.

    Don't quite understand that one. When you hit perfect and ball does not react as should is because of you??   Sorry mate that's not my game. Unless wind is blowing 30 mph... Ding is King in my game!!!

    Sure you get the occasional wtf. But from what i seen Nike irons do it way more than R11s.

    Jimbog came to this forum with the same complaint. The man asked if anyone else seen this problem.

    I thought i would tell him that he was not crazy. Also many players above mine and you're play are seeing same thing.

    Nope not another excuse to go off on the whole scene. Nope... just a honest opinion, trying to help a bud out.  The man asked,,, giving what i saw.

    Sorry mate.... is what it is. I am almost certain if Jimbog was happy with the Nike irons he would not have made this post....

    :)

    Please read Jimbog's first post,,, maybe you might be able to help him. You might know the secret to unlock the dingage...lol.

    Again.. wonder why most of the best here don't give their opinion. Yup.. give a opinion and get hung for it...... lol.  Again stated... Jimbog can play this game mate. I guess he doesn't know what he's talking about huh??

    Yup....

    Edit: And...... having to play a lower level ball just don't cut it mate.... not one iota. Yups... getting off topic again as usual. Back on topic.... Nike irons flying all over on ding hits. Not about me mate..... about Nike irons.

    Jimbog is good enough at this game to where he doesn't even need our opinions. He was tripping out just as i was. When a player of his ability sees same thing i'm seeing ..... i think i need to believe him.  He will in do time make his decision i'm sure.

  • BolloxInBruges
    1,389 Posts
    Sat, Jan 11 2014 9:43 PM

    In my own experience it's extremely rare for me to be greatly dissatisfied with the result of a dinged shot with nikes or R11s w/ any type of balls.  Bad shots almost always my fault.

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Sat, Jan 11 2014 11:09 PM

    BolloxInBruges:
    In my own experience it's extremely rare for me to be greatly dissatisfied with the result of a dinged shot with nikes or R11s w/ any type of balls.  Bad shots almost always my fault.

    Thank you for the comment - greatly appreciated.

    This is why I came to the forums with this.  Like I say I think I am pretty level headed.  I  know my limitation's, but also my strengths.  Clearly people have been having different experiences which is why it was good to thrash it out I think.  Start getting too much in to how people miss the ding and it can muddy the waters.  Not many play the game to this persons standard but we all know how to hit a good shot fto the simple standard in question here.  

    A ding on a not much wind par 3 should not keep going so way off.  That was the final straw for me seeing that happen one time too many with a 172 yard easy enough simple 7 iron.

    fatdan:
    and I think the same applies here, we blame everything else for our bad play when it's just plain us, we f'd up a weeeee bit and vem made us pay for it, just like we f up sometimes and it ends up perfect....I think the courses vem setup at that particular tournament has more to do with it than clubs do.

    Dan I agree with much of your post, and much of this bit is human nature as well of course, but no this time there were (hope were, not are) real issues across the board.

    Please don't take any of it wrong just my view trying to be clear with you and anyone else who may give a rats.

    I did not crawl out from under some rock with this after three WTFs.  I had discussed it with sensible people even during play, and skyping discussing shots sometimes etc.  

    I know all about high level sport and the trials and tribulations of that. I played sport to a reasonable standard myself.  I spent the best part of the last 5 years running especially my eldest to various part of the State for elite football (soccer).  Culminated in a trip to England last year.  At that super elite level he never quite made the grade, but things up there would not even be spotted by most even half local coaches, and unless you test yourself at that level (years of hard work to) no one can tell anyway. I know all about sport, and the ranks and how they work on the way up.

    I don't come here with every WTF round whether I think I had that poor round or not, just not me to bother.  

    I was though convinced this must be some sort of intermittent issue, and wanted the opinion of some good level headed reasonable players who all know how to hit a good shot.  I think this was achieved.  

    Nothing here is going to convict any one in a court of criminal law in a civilized country, but some of the findings are compelling.  One good player, could not get a ball to go straight and another, same ball, saw it going straight all the time and so on.  These are sensible people who play this game to a good standard, and can do so under testing conditions.  

    For the purposes of a simple test of equipment competency people like this should be listened to.

    I hope my equipment generally performs same as it did my last few goes now. I don't and will never play this game to standard of this Bollox in all likely hood, but I am more than able to tell if it's me or the equipment performing that badly to the test required here.  

    I know all about the great divider that is sporting competition whether it's local park football or the cauldron of State Finals or trials for very elite teams; all about the highs of selection, of winning, the heartbreak of knock backs and losing the big one as must sometimes happen. Seen all about the celebration's for winning, and the gap analyses after losing, and the years of hard dedication and of sacrifice just to get that chance.

    Yes been there seen it, have the video, got the tee shirt. and lived it for the last few years especially with the eldest boy.  After those years and before, I am well able to tell poor plays, good shot's at all the levels, condition's and all the different pressures that come with that etc........Now like I say compare that to RGs here if you like I know all about sporting competition.

    As sure as god made little green apples there was an issue for the simple standard of test needed here. Lets hope it is in the past and has settled for all.  Thanks to all who have contributed, and I hope this can begin to fade.......(never realised I went on that long LOL).  Anyway Can only hope:)       

     

  • slillico
    393 Posts
    Sun, Jan 12 2014 3:42 AM

    I think this has turned into, a wtf thread, a bash wgt and their irons thread etc, at least it's being interpreted that way and that's a mistake IMHO.

    Allow me to sum up, In my mind this was never about bashing anything or anyone, WGT included. There is no need for the wagons to be circled. I noticed a while ago with the r11's the precision had been decreasing and assumed it was just the game changing to stop the low scoring. But this thread is not about that either.

    Its a simple question really being asked, why does the Cally 33 ball perform better than the Nike rzn 81 ball? And later finding out the Cally 33 ball is not alone in out performing the nike rzn 81 ball. The 48 and 71 ball both out perform the Nike rzn 81 with the 97 Nike irons.

    How do these balls out perform the 81 rzn, Line and consistent distance on a dinged shot.

    To me at least, this is not about the ding is king, wtf shots, precision, deviation, bash WGT and their equipment etc.

    This is not about saying the rzn 81 ball performs poorly either, it performs fine.

    This is not about saying the Nike 97 irons performs poorly either, they perform fine and IMHO and experience the best irons in the game today.

    To be absolutely clear, some including myself are scratching their heads in wonderment as to how and why the Cally 33, the Nike 48 and 71 and their vapour equivalents all out perform the Nike RZN 81 ball with the Nike 97 Irons.

    Myself, I have played the rzn 81 ball since the second it was released, I know it moves more in the wind and spin could play some havoc with it on some holes, but all in all I loved that ball and still do. The meter speed, the stopping power, the pitching the putting all fit me perfectly. That ball was the top dog here for quite some time. Personally I would like to continue to play that ball, however its hard to justify to continue to play that ball given what I am witnessing today.

    Ideally I would like that ball (RZN 81) be returned to it's former glory.

     

     

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Sun, Jan 12 2014 4:47 AM

    Sli

    For me this thread was more about the L97 irons not performing.  People with differing balls were seeing the same thing in their play - could not hit a ball straight with these irons.

    It did then transpire that the L33 could at least stay straight with these things, although it's limitations were not liked by all. The latter why some chose to pay more for better attributes as has always been the case. I never really thought of the L33 Cally as performing better with these irons than the L81 ball, but rather it was at least playable with these irons.  Just the fact it stayed straight half often frankly was all it needed to outplay more than just the L81. The L81 Nike, Cally L34 slo mo, Max ball had all been reported as flying all over the place. 

    Certainly I for one was not looking to bash WGT, but I was annoyed at the irons (yes the irons) not performing. Open discussion on this and anything else directly related was all I ever wanted, although I did (not really sure why just pi$$ed a little I guess) introduce that the virtual notebook is still to be fixed.  That's an accepted thing, and a red herring to this thread.

    slillico:
    Ideally I would like that ball (RZN 81) be returned to it's former glory.

    It has been. --As it stands at least

    Now only in CC comps (as I reported earlier in the thread), the L81 ball teamed with these irons now ROCK IMO.  36 hours has made a WORLD of difference.  As say only CC stuff but that was playing terrible before.......... EDIT: Not knocking CC comps BTW but most will say RGs etc. are a sterner test all I meant.

    Just banged in a 27 at BPB9, and were I not holding a phone talking to my mother would have been a 26. More importantly the irons were performing as one would expect from the top irons.  All the pressure I could expect to be taken off was off my putting.  In short, yes flighty as we know and love it for, it was allowing these irons to hit it true and straight to expected distance with a good shot for 27 holes straight (Kiawah B9 and Beth B9).

    I had a message from a good Legend player who was not in this thread, but he has reported that his L34 slo mo cally ball is now working well, and yesterday it was working crap same as the L81 same as the max and whatever............... Another TL has just messaged me also that he took the plunge and bought these things just now, and is over the moon with them, but he has the L33 Cally (think he usually uses that) which was working anyway.

    The two of us that had the issues, and have spoken today, are not doing anything different other than watch our shots now work, and which 36 hours ago were pinging off in all directions...............Can only go by what I see, but hope it continues. As I say the L81 Nike is performing as well as it ever did from what I saw.  FWIW I was not seeing the issue with good shots like you anyway now I focus on that with the R11 / L81 combo.

    I urge you to see for yourself, and I hope your shots are as good as what we have just been seeing. I hope even more (wtfs and bad rounds as usual aside as will always sometimes happen we all accept and was never the point) it all stays this way.

     

  • slillico
    393 Posts
    Sun, Jan 12 2014 5:16 AM

    Thank you Jim.

    I think we have always differed slightly, you were thinking the irons, I was thinking the balls Potato Patadoo really though when you think about it.

    What I was witnessing, just made no sense and made my head hurt! Really in order to compete I'm expected to tee up rocks, Ok there goes my head again.

    Maybe someone was listening and fired out a fix. Who knows, glad all is well again, hopefully we can put all this behind us and just play golf.

  • WoodenHands
    526 Posts
    Sun, Jan 12 2014 5:30 AM

    still seeing different results with the L81 Nike , just played two St Andrews RG's , first 18 was a struggle for a 61 , second 18 was a 57 which , had it not been for two missed 6 footers , could have been ( for me ) a great round .

    When they go where they should these irons are  , for me at least , better than the R11's , now just hope that they will sort themselves out and allow me to occassionally think i can play this game .  

  • slillico
    393 Posts
    Sun, Jan 12 2014 6:39 AM

    I think he's on to something here, just played the cabo 100 LRG, I was not impressed at first, but have no problem laying blame where it belongs, and that it's clearly mostly me.

    I say mostly me because I'm not expecting to banging every shot within a foot and a dime sized circle of precision, that's just stupid.

    I remapped my wedge yesterday with obvious wrong yardage and it resulted in 3 shots flying long, but long all by relatively the same distance. 

    1 shot on the par 3 had me scratching my head a bit, but I did it blind without consulting previous notes and it's not as if i have not been there before.

    It will take some time getting used to some consistency returning to this ball.

    All in all, I would say my general feeling and it's important to me to feel like I would not have done any better with the cally 33 ball. And that is exactly all I'm/was/is looking for.

    By the way, 44 feet of putts, 7.2 foot approach and a solid 29. I'm not complaining, had it not been for me going with a 113 FBS 120 club yardage mapping that could been a 27, so TYVM.

    But all has been duly noted, corrections will be made.

    So now to my thank you's:

    Thank you Jimbog, It may have been a while before I re-teed those 81-85 RZN balls had it not been for your suggestion. As previously stated they are/were my ball of choice.

    Thank you YJim, and CIB for pointing me in the direction of the cally 33 and 48 Nike. Had it not been for you guys It would of been a different week and I would of not of done so well in various RG's, MPC, and the IOU tourny this previous week.

    Thank you WGT if you had anything at all to do with this obvious correction.

    Back to the course where I belong now. Take care all, hitem straight, long, and may all you and yours be blessed.

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