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• Yiannis1970 3,307 Posts

  Sat, Feb 24 2018 3:15 PM

  el3n1:

  I stumbled across another one of these examples you referenced possibly. Within the first week of joining individual won over 7000 credits in WGT tournaments and ready go's and goes on to continue playing ready go's building credit bankroll and in less than 2 full months of play on WGT is virtually leading the Legend division of a WGT major event.  

  This appears to be an obvious display of what has been identified by AB, but only someone with extensive knowledge and understanding of how the game operates and works could take these kind of steps and know how to do it.  Just crazy...

  And, as I pointed out by exploiting and winning these events they are not putting money into the game...it is credits they are winning from those who are trying to play by the rules that end up being at a severe disadvantage.  

   

  Nothing extraordinary here. We are living for years with this kind of stuff...you get used to it.

   

• kavvz 2,195 Posts

  Sat, Feb 24 2018 3:48 PM

  If you're talking about the current leader of the Legend VT, then I disagree.

  I'll submit that player just 'had a round'.  It happens.

  If you look at score history there's some good rounds mixed in with some not so good rounds -- in RG's.

  Not everyone who shows up on a leaderboard is a restart/cheater.  

  It's possible for players to get better.  As has already been said there's a plethora of information available to anyone who knows how to look on how to get good at this game.

   

• el3n1 4,502 Posts

  Sat, Feb 24 2018 5:14 PM

  I agree people can progress quickly, I felt I moved along quite quickly at reaching Legend in 5 months.  It still took a lot of time learning and researching all of that and I still was no where close to understanding and knowing how to navigate through WGT tournaments and Ready go's in less than 2 months time.  

  When someone goes immediately to ready go tournaments and immediately starts winning, you have to admit it can look suspicious.  Yes, people talk about people picking things up quickly but here is the thing....

  with all the information out there and all the nuances with the game, there are still seasoned veteran players who don't shoot these kind of scores on a regular basis.  I can't say definitively one way or another...but some times things clearly stand out more than others. otherwise, the rationale that the information is out there and available would suggest everyone else should also be shooting these crazy low scores all the time and that doesn't seem to happen.

  sometimes, we are not just talking about playing better but rather scoring that is reflective of champion level players in less than two months time.  that is what amazes me, but also perplexes me...with all the things I have come across the game hasn't gotten that easy but then I am not a savant or prodigy either...  

• kavvz 2,195 Posts

  Sat, Feb 24 2018 6:31 PM

  That score is literally the ONLY round that is top champion player calibre.  Look at the history; nothing else really stands out.

  Maybe those seasoned veteran players don't know how to search, and seriously if someone can't figure out the tournament structure / RG's in a short amount of time then I don't know what to say there.

  Sure there are restarts and cheaters -- all games have them this one is no different.  

  However, all I'm trying to say is perhaps don't automatically assume players popping up on a leaderboard means they got there in a not so clean way.

  TBH; I could care less about restarts.  It has no bearing on me trying to learn and get better; I'll hope to beat them anyway original account or not.

  Now cheaters/hackers they'd bother me but as already stated they are in all games everywhere.  If you want to play online computer games, it is what it is.  Some game makers are fairly good and catching and dealing with hacks; others not so much. 

   

• AgentBrown123 907 Posts

  Sat, Feb 24 2018 8:42 PM

  EDIT:

  After looking at his scores more closely, his first rounds are way to good. This is obvious

• 9,041 Posts

  Sat, Feb 24 2018 11:27 PM

  kavvz:

  That score is literally the ONLY round that is top champion player calibre.

  True...

  kavvz:

  Look at the history;

  Ok....

  1st ever round -6 kiawah

  1st time around...

  Cong    -9

  St A      -12

  Erin      -9

  Pine     -12

  Peeble -11

  kavvz:

  nothing else really stands out.

  The 77% scrambling stat does..( and a few others )

  This one trying to 'box clever'..getting the RR count up hitting the Dec P3, 1st Tier paying monthly wins by 1 and now keeping it gold / platinum in 10-15 legend RGs.

  The earnings will be $1000 + by May  ;-))

• 1,866 Posts

  Sun, Feb 25 2018 12:30 AM

  alcaucin:

  kavvz:

  That score is literally the ONLY round that is top champion player calibre.

  True...

  kavvz:

  Look at the history;

  Ok....

  1st ever round -6 kiawah

  1st time around...

  Cong    -9

  St A      -12

  Erin      -9

  Pine     -12

  Peeble -11

  kavvz:

  nothing else really stands out.

  The 77% scrambling stat does..( and a few others )

  This one trying to 'box clever'..getting the RR count up hitting the Dec P3, 1st Tier paying monthly wins by 1 and now keeping it gold / platinum in 10-15 legend RGs.

  The earnings will be $1000 + by May  ;-))

   

  Some great Officer Fluffy-esque sleuthing by Andy there.

   

  100% this is not the guy's 1st rodeo. And his account should be closed. Cause it really doesn't matter, if he closed his previous account(s) or not, WGT rules state that if you restart (which you're allowed to do), you're not allowed to play for credits, before you reach your former tier. Period.

  However, given the fact the guy had a ton of rubbish, credit losing RG rounds, there are 2 options. He's either trying very hard to fly under the radar and this VT event is his coming out party, since there's a big enough prize. A viable option, considering he won the January TP tier open (by 1 shot) and the TP Merion classic (by 9 shots, lol).

  Or he's a garden variety restart with reasonable skills, who made a pact with some highly skilled player, who played the 53 for him and they'll split the winnings. Not that uncommon for people to do that. I'm kind of leaning towards that one. Cause, if he was really good, he'd be hitting the L500 cr brackets already (biggest cash cow ever), but if he's not, there's no chance he shot a 53 on his own.

  Edit: Had to check, seems like the L500 cr brackets are gone (good thing), so I stopped leaning towards anything ;-)

   

• renniw52 5,385 Posts

  Sun, Feb 25 2018 5:45 AM

   My friends know I am not new to this crazy game. It took me 1880 games to make Legend and I have not advanced since. I have never been computer savvy and I would not know how to (C-word) if my life depended on it. The most fun I ever had on this game was when 4-5 of my best friends and I played every day. We were Tour Pros trying to make Master. The conversations and laughs were priceless. Out of no wheres 3 of these players jumped to Legend with minimal games but low rounds that they could never shoot in 2 years. Scores of 27-28 every round. When I asked how this happened they got very defensive. This is all I have to say on this matter. As we all know, this is just a game and anyone at anytime can go astray and forget the purpose of a sport that is honorable and needs to be treated as such. But then again, this is not in the fresh air on a real course with real friends. It is a computer game. You all enjoy and live with your self on how you choose to play it.

  Squirrel Nutz

• el3n1 4,502 Posts

  Sun, Feb 25 2018 8:44 AM

  mkrizan86:

  100% this is not the guy's 1st rodeo.

  I am inclined to agree which is why I pointed it out if provided we are referencing the same person without giving names.  I still reserve some judgement so I am rarely 100% on anything, but I would very likely wager 1000 credits it is not the first exposure to WGT.  Sadly none of us can prove this either way, only WGT may potentially have some means to be able to do so.  But even they may be limited in what they can learn from tracking IP addresses and the like (legally) but even then it may only prove someone within the IP address/household was a member.  I am aware of a couple living in the same house was "questioned/investigated" before they were given access back to their accounts.  In such a case,  even then it would be a matter of sharing information which would indicate previous exposure in my way of thinking and not someone's first attempt.  

  One of the things that stood out to me was also the Merion VT event.  I have watched Fmagnets and Young46 both 3 putt on Merion greens in their videos on youtube.  Merion is not an easy course to know and putt extremely well without considerable course knowledge.  Granted some pins are more difficult than others, but there are certain holes and pin locations where par is a good score!

  By aggressively going after credits in big events, they are NOT putting money into the game and that can discourage people that are putting money into the game from wanting to participate.  I have read comments by long standing members that say they avoid ready go's and WGT events because of such things. 

  To me, that does seem to have a negative effect and outcome on the game and if the problem grows and gets progressively worse it can undermine the viability of the game overall.  However, I doubt that ready go's alone are where WGT is making their most profit so it may be negligible other than our perceptions and how we feel about the game.  It still seems problematic!

  We can all have different perceptions but I was just saying, there are a lot of red flags for me and the scoring history and stats appear to support that. 

   

• jimshaw39 675 Posts

  Sun, Feb 25 2018 4:29 PM

  x2   try practicing more. there's no business reason for the company to be involved in that way

  jim