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Random Winds in Singleplay POLL

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 6:17 AM

  My poll isn't showing what I'm voting for. ?? What column A represents B represents and so on.

   

  My 2 cents.

  I don't mind random winds if they are true to each hole. What I have issues with is making them random for every hole. If I tee off on number 1 with a 15mph tail wind then get to #2 tee box that runs the same direction as #1 I should still have that 15mph tail wind. Not a 20mph head wind. That's absurd in my opinion.

   

   

• genorb 1,255 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 6:19 AM

  BolloxInBruges:

  I do certainly agree with you that having only a couple majors a year isn't enough of a sample size for variance to even out.   But by the same token, a virtual major championship is far less prestigious than their real life counterpart.  In real life it is definitely possible to lose a major championship (especially the Open) due to your tee time draw and the corresponding wind set you receive as a result of it.

  In real golf that's different for various reasons. First of all, there are rotations between fairways. See for example Royal Saint Georges

  http://www.royalstgeorges.com/course/aerial/

  http://www.leisurelinkgolf.com/golf-course-map/2186/royal-st-georges-golf-club-kent

  This helps to even out the wind orientation. You cannot get headwinds or tailwinds everywhere.

  Secondly, you are obliged to play with wind, you cannot play indoor.

  Let me take the following example to make this last point clear.

  When you play on WGT with high winds on RSG for example, you have the normal (legend) tee distance. If you get 30 mph tailwind, the tee distance is like being shorter (by roughly 50yds, the precise value is not important). If you get 30 mph headwinds, the tee distance is like being longer (by also roughly 50 yds).

  Now imagine the following situation in real golf. Take a course where you don't have much wind in general and you add two additional tees. You have the normal tee, another tee 50 yds shorter and a last one 50 yds longer. Now before to tee off each single hole, each player pick up randomly a number. if you get the number 1, you drive from the short tee, if you get 2 you drive from the normal tee and if you get 3 you drive from the long tee. This is pretty much our situation when playing at WGT with high winds. Do you think professional players would accept to play under such conditions? I seriously doubt. They say nothing against the wind because you cannot do anything against that, but they would probably refuse to play under the conditions I just described.

  Regards

• BolloxInBruges 1,389 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 6:40 AM

  What I mean is if you get a morning pairing thurs and it is dead calm, then the a gale force wind hits in the afternoon after you've finished, and continues until your afternoon teetime on friday, then ceases.  This has happened numerous times at the Open where luck in tee time draw is a huge factor.  Obviously the people that had an afternoon thurs/fri morning tee time are far less likely to make the cut.

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 6:45 AM

  BolloxInBruges:

  What I mean is if you get a morning pairing thurs and it is dead calm, then the a gale force wind hits in the afternoon, and continues until your afternoon teetime on friday, then ceases.  This has happened numerous times at the Open where luck in tee time draw is a huge factor.

  But they aren't dealing with random winds PER HOLE. They know what holes are going to play downwind or headwind on #1 tee box.

  I don't think you can compare random winds PER HOLE on wgt to wind or no wind the pros get from morning to afternoon tee times. Individual WGT tournaments don't vary from low to heavy winds. But you know that.

• BolloxInBruges 1,389 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 6:56 AM

  I'm not comparing apples to apples, all im fkkn saying is that LUCK CAN ALSO PLAY A FACTOR IN REAL LIFE GOLF!

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 7:04 AM

  BolloxInBruges:

  I'm not comparing apples to apples, all im fkkn saying is that LUCK CAN ALSO PLAY A FACTOR IN REAL LIFE GOLF!

  Xanax is your friend.

• RUNWME 1,011 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 8:03 AM

  DarSum:

  My 2 cents.

  I don't mind random winds if they are true to each hole. What I have issues with is making them random for every hole. If I tee off on number 1 with a 15mph tail wind then get to #2 tee box that runs the same direction as #1 I should still have that 15mph tail wind. Not a 20mph head wind. That's absurd in my opinion.

   

   

  I'd  hate to hit sta #1 and know I'd have 22 mph headwinds on 7 of next 9 holes.  http://www.artistsgolf.com/images/standrew.gif With it random every hole, at least you can get take your par on bad wind hole if can't reach the green, and hope you have a better one the next. 

  Just a thought, since they change readygos frequently and ask for requests. Would be cool if wgt  created one with same winds for all 50 players.  ( everytime it filled up and cycled, winds changed, but all 50 would have the same conditions)  Then wgt could easily judge the support for it based on how fast it cycled. 

   

   

• thebigeasy707 5,885 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 8:18 AM

  RUNWME:

  I'd  hate to hit sta #1 and know I'd have 22 mph headwinds on 7 of next 9 holes.  http://www.artistsgolf.com/images/standrew.gif With it random every hole, at least you can get take your par on bad wind hole if can't reach the green, and hope you have a better one the next. 

  this is exactly why i don't play any high wind rg's.....especially on St Andrews, because 99% of the ones i played in the past had exactly that wind direction. 6 x 28mph full in the kisser headwinds apart from #8 which was the usual 28 mph tailwind with pin at the front and pretty hard to get anywhere near pin.

  didn't seem too random for me so i stopped entering them....caz you know the winning score of 28 could not have had the same winds as me.

   

  tbe

• cycle1979 1,555 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 8:22 AM

  I like this topic.... honestly, I don't think it would change the outcomes.  The top players will still be the top players.  It will just give us players that are just a stroke or two behind NO EXCUSES.

• PRIESTESS 10,721 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 9:48 AM

  genorb:

  When you play on WGT with high winds on RSG for example, you have the normal (legend) tee distance. If you get 30 mph tailwind, the tee distance is like being shorter (by roughly 50yds, the precise value is not important). If you get 30 mph headwinds, the tee distance is like being longer (by also roughly 50 yds).

  ,In real golf Fabian a 30 mile tail wind is way more difficult to control both on drives and on approaches into Tourney greens,This is why the winds need to be looked at because if a tail wind of that strength posed the difficulty factor it should then winds would be more balanced,Thus a 30 mile tail posing  similar difficulties to 30 against,At present you can hit these Nike full bs and they hit a brick wall with that type of tail wind,The first bounce needs to be adjusted  for that wind in my opinion.In fact in Real Links golf a tail wind can be more difficult to control than a headwind,In wgt it seems the opposite because these headwinds can move anywhere,Try stopping a PW with a tail wind more than 20 mph on a real links course, you would have to land it 10 short even with max bs.Tail winds pose not even a problem with a R11 4  iron and Nike ball,they stop El pronto,The balance of wind difficulty  between head and tail is way out,So in my opinion  its all about balancing out what we have:)