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Random Winds in Singleplay POLL

• PRIESTESS 10,721 Posts

  Fri, Dec 23 2011 3:35 PM

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• ryan4spurs 828 Posts

  Sat, Dec 24 2011 6:43 PM

  BolloxInBruges:

  What I mean is if you get a morning pairing thurs and it is dead calm, then the a gale force wind hits in the afternoon after you've finished, and continues until your afternoon teetime on friday, then ceases.  This has happened numerous times at the Open where luck in tee time draw is a huge factor.  Obviously the people that had an afternoon thurs/fri morning tee time are far less likely to make the cut.

  This is dead on the money. Take a look at the 2010 Open Championship at St. Andrews. Rory McIlroy shot a 63 in Round 1 when conditions were favourable to almost everyone that day, with eventual champion Louis Oosthuizen shooting a 65.

  In Round 2 Louis Oosthuizen shot a 67 with a morning tee time and Rory McIlroy, with an afternoon tee time, shot 80, when winds were over 40mph and play was even suspended for just over an hour.

  I'm not saying that McIlroy would have matches Oosthuizen at the top of the leaderboard after Round 2, but merely pointing out that luck just wasn't on his side in round 2, which gave him no chance of winning The Open.

  McIlroy finished tied 3rd, 8 shots behind Oosthuizen, a pretty good finish based on his misfortune of tee time in Round 2 where 13 shots were the different between them.

• nanstar 4,914 Posts

  Sun, Dec 25 2011 6:17 AM

  If winds must be random they should at least blow in accordance with the rules of nature..ie.a headwind in one direction and a tailwind in the opposite.(Links 2003 did:)

  Re-this poll, I'd vote (if I could figure out how to) for single winds,thus making scoring fairer/comparable,for all players who would then encounter the same (wind) conditions in the same tourney..as Run suggested it's certainly worth a try WGT.

  Thank you Kriztjan for posting.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Sun, Dec 25 2011 8:42 AM

  genorb:

  Now imagine the following situation in real golf. Take a course where you don't have much wind in general and you add two additional tees. You have the normal tee, another tee 50 yds shorter and a last one 50 yds longer. Now before to tee off each single hole, each player pick up randomly a number. if you get the number 1, you drive from the short tee, if you get 2 you drive from the normal tee and if you get 3 you drive from the long tee. This is pretty much our situation when playing at WGT with high winds. Do you think professional players would accept to play under such conditions? I seriously doubt. They say nothing against the wind because you cannot do anything against that, but they would probably refuse to play under the conditions I just described.

  Of course the pro's would carry on, that description is a bit  ott, but if i go out in morning and its pi55ing down with rain & strong winds, you go out in afternoon when its nice and sunny, you have an advantage, will score better, but if you were an average player, me a top player, i might be able to combat the situation i got and still score similar to you.  But what it does do is be able to throw a spanner in the works for top players and maybe a average player gets a fluke round with good conditions and are able to win for a change.

  Last fall championship i got strong headwind on  EVERY hole, but if players cant play these conditions they shouldn't be playing anyway. Keep it real.Keep it random!

• Lisa03 5,910 Posts

  Sat, Jan 21 2012 5:58 PM

  BolloxInBruges:

  What I mean is if you get a morning pairing thurs and it is dead calm, then the a gale force wind hits in the afternoon after you've finished, and continues until your afternoon teetime on friday, then ceases.  This has happened numerous times at the Open where luck in tee time draw is a huge factor.  Obviously the people that had an afternoon thurs/fri morning tee time are far less likely to make the cut.

  Totally true---even the difference of going off last when the greens are dried and not holding can be a big enough difference--add to that wind, spike marks and it's quite common to see "afternoon" scores 2-3 strokes higher on average.

   

• lonniescott711 4,207 Posts

  Sat, Jan 21 2012 8:40 PM

  I think the winds should be removed from the game, even in practice rounds also.Even in real golf the wind isnt  always blowing. So lets have a calm or no wind setting

• ForrestLeigh 264 Posts

  Mon, Jan 23 2012 1:49 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  Last fall championship i got strong headwind on  EVERY hole, but if players cant play these conditions they shouldn't be playing anyway. Keep it real.Keep it random!

  So how were you going to win? - you might be the best player here by a country mile but if you get those winds you're not going to win are you?

  If you pay your $20 and enter the St Andrews 18 hole RG you need 58 to get your money back - are you going to tell me that the wind isn't going to play a part in that? 

  You're happy that I might have good winds and get on some Par 4's in one, get on the 5's in 2, have a birdie shot on 17 where you can't make the green in 2?

  You get bad winds you're not getting you money back - I get better I have a good chance to be in credit is that fair based on random winds?

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Jan 23 2012 5:23 AM

  ForrestLeigh:

  You get bad winds you're not getting you money back - I get better I have a good chance to be in credit is that fair based on random winds?

  What ever happens it will boil down to "deviation" anyway whatever the winds. Like my round earlier, i was -12 at 14th St Andrews.  Next hole i got 20 mph left right wind, i aim left but my shot lands bang on my aim point.  Wind had no effect. Next hole my 100 yard wedge goes 103 yards in 18 mph tailwind! same distance it would go with NO WIND! and on the 18th my 120 PW went 95 yards in 16 mph HEADWIND! All 3 of those shots would be bankers for landing within 2 yards of pin usualy, but WGT had different outcome for my round throwing in nutty deviation effected shots, therefore whatever the winds your at the mercy of deviation any way!

• ForrestLeigh 264 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 12:09 AM

  chrisironsbones:

  ForrestLeigh:

  You get bad winds you're not getting you money back - I get better I have a good chance to be in credit is that fair based on random winds?

  What ever happens it will boil down to "deviation" anyway whatever the winds. Like my round earlier, i was -12 at 14th St Andrews.  Next hole i got 20 mph left right wind, i aim left but my shot lands bang on my aim point.  Wind had no effect. Next hole my 100 yard wedge goes 103 yards in 18 mph tailwind! same distance it would go with NO WIND! and on the 18th my 120 PW went 95 yards in 16 mph HEADWIND! All 3 of those shots would be bankers for landing within 2 yards of pin usualy, but WGT had different outcome for my round throwing in nutty deviation effected shots, therefore whatever the winds your at the mercy of deviation any way!

  Yep I agree with those sentiments totally - I know that when posts like this appear usually the detractors appear with their tin hat theory - but I'm now playing rounds (especially the big money rounds) waiting for the shots that don't go right.  Long approaches I know should carry and get close dropping ten yards short, 120yd shots with bs rolling to 132 etc etc - and I know these shots, I've played them hundreds if not thousands of times, so you know when its the game screwed you rather than you made a bad error.

  Oh, and the newest 'novelty' putts that go straight at the pin even though you've moved the marker to account for the break

  For me this is the main and probably only reason we won't ever get mulligans - you could replicate the same shot exactly from the same lie over and over - and wgt probably wouldn't like us to find out how much difference there would be in the outcomes

• mantis0014 8,946 Posts

  Thu, Jan 26 2012 1:11 AM

  I play heaps of R/Go's, with not much luck, but I have heaps of fun playing them(most of the time..lol).

  Apart from weekends the only chance I get to play em is around the 7-8pm Australian time  and have found the winds at that time to be extreme. I'm saying extreme, because when I play them during the day the wind is quite playable(if you know what I mean).

  Just wondering if there is a really good time to play the Comps, in relation to the winds. Starting to think if you play a Comp at certain time each day the wind would be better....

  -Roger