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The best thing I did to better my score

Thu, Nov 7 2013 12:50 AM (75 replies)
  • RUNWME
    1,011 Posts
    Mon, Dec 26 2011 3:44 AM

    LOL Lou, Costello's math looks sound to me 

     

    I struggle with all these formulas and calculations, below is a copy of my work to figure out the approach shot on

    beth page #8    196 yards 29 ft down   11mph quartering tailwind 

    The best tip that helped me lower my scores was doing all my putts while in reverse view.   I also will flip to reverse putting view to read break of green for chips, flops, pitches and short punch shots.

    Dianne enjoys doing the math  like genorb and hans to figure out everyshot , sometimes even uses a stopwatch on the dots for reading putts.  (seriously, i HAVE to give her hard time over that) Part of the pleasure for her is analytically gathering all the data to try and make a perfect shot. Me on the otherhand, that would drive me nuts.  90% of my shots, i just like to walk up and whack it.   She gets pyschotic into a zone and snappy if I have the football game up too loud while she is playing.  I can play quicker, enjoy a beer while playing and skyping with my buds during a guild. 

  • genorb
    1,255 Posts
    Mon, Dec 26 2011 3:48 AM

    MBaggese:

    Not belittling anything posted, but I think I now am seeing the difference between players and gamers.

    Perhaps the difference between players and gamers is similar to the difference between casual/amateur real golf player and professsional real golf players.

    Professional players repeat countless of time the same movement, the same shots, the same putts to get as close as possible to some perfection (impossible to reach of course but they try to get as close as possible). They spend hours per day to practice and in the process they learn every aspect of the game, like for example judging distances, much better than casual players. They are getting deep into the game (it's their job after all so it's normal). So that's why, beside their natural gifts, professional players are way ahead compared to casual players.

    I guess golf is like everything else: it's 5-10% of natural gift and the rest is pure work.

    However this game being de facto different from real golf (we are sitting in front of a screen and clickling), the work to do to reach some "perfection" is different from real golf... But there are a lot of work to do and it takes a lot of time.

    So you should not denigrate the amount of work and time putted into this game by some players by calling them gamers (which, as I understand, is a pejorative word for you in this context).

    Of course that's just a game. And I completely understand that many players are just here to have fun and spend time with friends they made here. I do it too and that's very fine (I guess it's the primary goal of a game: having fun :) ).

    But those players should also understand that other players are also here to try to play as good as possible on every rounds they do (it's impossible but they try). And in the process, be sure that you can also have a lot of fun. To get there, you need to practice a lot... That's perhaps why this is always the same bunch of players who are at the top of the leaderboard...

    MBaggese:

    Hey, ya'll go with the formulas that got you here and will get you to where you want to be, but all you have done is solve a math equation at the end of the day...did you have fun with that?

    You exagerate a lot. I personally use only one formula to estimate how distance is affected by wind. When there is pure crosswind or almost pure crosswind, I don't even need it.

    As I wrote above:

    Estimating the effect of the wind on the power to use is a very small part of the game.

    Moreover with some feeling and a good memory you can do it without formula.

    All other aspects of the game to master do not involve any math/formula.

    Just to name a few:

    • Moving the aim to counter lateral wind on approach shot (pure feel for me)
    • clicking not too far from the ding (or missing on the right side)
    • knowing how to use spin, from full back spin to full top spin on approach shots (top spin needs a lot of practice...)
    • Knowing how to shot from sand and rough
    • Using correctly chip, pitch and flop
    • everything that concerns putting (pure feel for me)

    That's why it takes so long to get good at this game: You need to get some feeling of the game. If it was just about math, some players which do not have problems with math could then become very good in a very short time.

    Regards

  • genorb
    1,255 Posts
    Mon, Dec 26 2011 3:54 AM

    Teedaawg:

    Right, I see that you used 10 as your wind speed but how is it used in your formula? I see you used 1 - 0.004 for the wind; so how do you calculate a 18, 25, or 30 mph wind? Sorry to put you through this; it's just that I struggle with the higher winds and really want to figure this out!

    D' = [150 + 12/3] / [1 - 0.004 *10] = 154 /  0.96 = 160 yds

    Tee

    if instead of 10mph the wind was 15mph in that example you would just need to replace 10 by 15

    D' = [150 + 12/3] / [1 - 0.004 *15] = 154 /  0.94 = 164 yds

    For winds higher then 20mph, that formula doesn't work. For those high winds, the effect is stronger.

    Regards

  • Dianne81
    773 Posts
    Mon, Dec 26 2011 5:25 AM

    RUNWME:

    The best tip that helped me lower my scores was doing all my putts while in reverse view.   I also will flip to reverse putting view to read break of green for chips, flops, pitches and short punch shots.

    Dianne enjoys doing the math  like genorb and hans to figure out everyshot , sometimes even uses a stopwatch on the dots for reading putts.  (seriously, i HAVE to give her hard time over that) Part of the pleasure for her is analytically gathering all the data to try and make a perfect shot. Me on the otherhand, that would drive me nuts.  90% of my shots, i just like to walk up and whack it.   She gets pyschotic into a zone and snappy if I have the football game up too loud while she is playing.  I can play quicker, enjoy a beer while playing and skyping with my buds during a guild. 

     

    Psychotic ?!?! Snappy ?!?!  me ?!?!  Boy I will CUT you !!!    laugh all you want at my stopwatch and way i putt, then look at our record playing one another 

    Dianne81 Vs RUNWME   8-1  so there!!  Anytime you want to play by FEEL bring it on, loser Cooks dinner AND DOES dishes. 

     

    So best thing that helped me...hmmmmmm     Some players are naturally gifted and can remember all their shots. Me not so much.  

    I take lots of notes and have at least 1 page dedicated to everysingle hole on wgt. ( some holes from the opens, i had 2-3  pages of notes just on 1 hole)  I draw pictures of greens with pin locations and show the slope. I put a dot on best place to attempt  landing ball always trying to leave   uphill straightish putt . Will also include notes  how ball will react when landing. 

    Formulas are good baselines and work for 75% of the holes on wgt.  Take notes on the holes you come up consistently long or short on, and adjust your formula to cater to those shots.   

    One of best tips given to me by hanswurst72 was to aim right and DRAW the ball around the trees on bethpage 2 and ccc 4.   Those holes used to be such a struggle and gave me fear when i first became a legend,  now bp 2 is easy birdie and ccc4 never worse than a par.

  • Hanswurst72
    1,097 Posts
    Mon, Dec 26 2011 8:28 AM

    ehh dont you even think about critizicing using a stop watch on the green dots, thats the only way of handling them sadly...

    =)

  • RUNWME
    1,011 Posts
    Mon, Dec 26 2011 1:15 PM

    Dianne81:

    Psychotic ?!?! Snappy ?!?!  me ?!?!  Boy I will CUT you !!!    laugh all you want at my stopwatch and way i putt, then look at our record playing one another 

    Dianne81 Vs RUNWME   8-1  so there!!  Anytime you want to play by FEEL bring it on, loser Cooks dinner AND DOES dishes. 

     

    Im not knocking all the formulas and math,  but sometimes old school playing by feel does prevail .  Id like a steak tonight, string beans with almond slivers , garlic toast and a salad with peppercorn dressing please.

    December 26, 2011
    • RUNWME defeated Dianne81 in a 18 hole match play game on KIAWAH ISLAND: THE OCEAN COURSE.

     

    On more tip, if you havent  watched any, check out  some of suncity's videos and see, you dont have to get obsessed with dinging meter and math to score low. http://www.livestream.com/wgtsuncity28/video?clipId=pla_e6336ee0-e415-4afb-bc37-fab0fa722bdc

     

  • Bootsnbra
    2,322 Posts
    Mon, Dec 26 2011 2:04 PM

    Oh my gosh do you two crack me up and ty for letting me know what I been doing wrong this HOLE time........I personally just aim at my opponent and then it goes in hahaha.....seriously Tarheels and I were gonna play one time and I said I dunno if you wanna do that ...with having not played for couple months I'm scare I might hit you. He says " Don't worry Bootsie I'll stand on fairway or green and then I'll be safe!! " Giggleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

     

  • mantis0014
    8,946 Posts
    Mon, Dec 26 2011 2:46 PM

    RUNWME:

    Dianne81:

    Psychotic ?!?! Snappy ?!?!  me ?!?!  Boy I will CUT you !!!    laugh all you want at my stopwatch and way i putt, then look at our record playing one another 

    Dianne81 Vs RUNWME   8-1  so there!!  Anytime you want to play by FEEL bring it on, loser Cooks dinner AND DOES dishes. 

     

    Im not knocking all the formulas and math,  but sometimes old school playing by feel does prevail .  Id like a steak tonight, string beans with almond slivers , garlic toast and a salad with peppercorn dressing please.

    December 26, 2011
    • RUNWME defeated Dianne81 in a 18 hole match play game on KIAWAH ISLAND: THE OCEAN COURSE.

     

     

    The Dinner sounded nice..... How was it? ....lol

    -Roger

  • cycle1979
    1,555 Posts
    Tue, Dec 27 2011 11:14 AM

    Just approach on the fairway... hit it within 15 feet and learn how to putt... much easier

  • ovsa
    8 Posts
    Fri, Dec 30 2011 9:46 AM

    I am new and thanks a lot genorb for sharing these infos and i would like to know your calculation for winds not straight

     

    Merry xmas and happy new year

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